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AJSully421 wrote:When they can manipulate the numbers electronically (and if you think that doing so is impossible, you are delusional)... then requiring ID is just a little pointless.

Besides, how well do you think that poll workers are checking IDs in the precincts that we are worried about anyhow? Who do you think works the polls? Hard-core right wingers who take off work all day for the two weeks of early voting? Conservative stay-at-home moms with little kids? I don't think so.

If voting accomplished anything, they would outlaw it.

They sure do here. I've been very impressed with the conduct of elections here, very business like, checking your voter registration card info with your ID against information on the list they have. I haven't early voted. One must drive into town for that, so not convenient so far.

I can't say these practices have snuffed out cheating but certainly seem to go a long way. Of course, at the primary this spring, the lines were for Republicans. I felt sorry for the Democrat poll workers, who were sitting around with no customers.

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Just curious if anyone on this forum has voted without an ID before? I'm relatively young still. I guess that I could imagine showing up to a polling place telling the person my name and having them check me off of their list. I'm sure that in the smaller towns many voters know all of the election volunteers at the polling place. I've had a government issued photo ID probably since I was 12 or 13 years old.[/quote]

I voted that way in CA for 45 years. It is ridiculous. Farrah Fawcett could have come to my polling place, said she was me, and voted. Never an ID, nothing. Getting on the voter roll was absurdly easy and unverified.

My buddy here on a green card could have registered and voted if he had decided to, self-respect and the habit of complying with laws the only deterrent.

There is nothing to stop folks from designating an agent to cast their ballot. It's illegal, of course, but what's to stop someone who doesn't want to get off work, stand in line from designating someone, a precinct captain, for example, to cast ballots for everyone. Wink, wink!

Maybe this is the response we need.

Find a dozen or so healthy people in each county. Get them appointed as registrars of voters. Then, heavily publicise that any eligible voter who desires it can register and obtain the required ID, easy, and free.

Those registrars can go to them and take care of it.

Where are these ~600,000 voters who can't vote?

Pawpaw wrote:Without the right to vote, the Constitution is just a piece of paper.

The question is not over the right to vote. Every eligible voter can vote. Any eligible voter can demonstrate eligibility by registering and identifying as that eligible person.

The only people who see this as a problem are those who profit by uncertainty, dishonesty, and fraud.

I dare them to produce an eligible voter who cannot obtain identity and register, and vote. Where are they? Nobody would stop them from doing so.

What's the objection to having ID?

I realize there is a long, proud tradtion in our DNA of "you can't make me!" but really, given the equally, and maybe even more, important stake in the integrity of our votes, what's the objection?

The Communists formerly known as Democrats have a long rich history of election rigging. At my former polling place in California, anyone could walk in, say they were me and get a ballot. There is no effective means of determining eligibility to vote, or establishing who is voting. One of my pals, not a US citizen, could have cast a ballot. No one would really know. As prevalent as ID theft has become, it is appalling, and unacceptable, to be unable to be sure that only eligible voters vote, and only once and that it is really them voting.