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OlBill wrote:As for hospitals, are they taking tax money?

Yes, I know I sound like a lib.

Yes, almost all of them take tax money. And those that are "non-profit" which is a true misnomer pay no property or sales tax. What does them taking tax money have to do with 30.06/07 though? There are 2 hospitals in my town, the private one is not posted and does take tax money in the form of medicare payments. The "non-profit" is posted. Only one, the non-profit, is a full service hospital so if you have a heart attack that's where you go and it is posted. Also, it's in a bad neighborhood and if you are there as a visitor it's not a very nice walk from parking which is where you leave your gun to the front door. Once in the hospital security is armed but between parking and the front door especially at night is where you get mugged.

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twomillenium wrote:I do not see that any of the business or private properties can require that you do business with them or go to their property. It is the right and decision of the LTC holder to go to these places, so they have made the choice to unarm themselves, (fully knowing that they are disarmed) and go into these businesses or properties. Folks who demand that others be responsible for the choices these folks have made are usually called snowflakes. I guess there are a few snowflakes in every group. The legal rights of a business or property owner should remain sacrosanct on their own properties, just as the legal choices a individual makes in their own lives should remain sacrosanct. As with all choices there are consequences, good and not so good. Be careful about wanting the government to decide in your favor when it comes to the legal rights of others because the day is coming when the government will decide against your legal right (already happening). The government then says the way to correct this, is for the government to control even more of the choices available to you and everyone else.
Sounds like a slippery slope doesn't it. Well, we are already sliding.
Just saying

I would agree with you if there were no protected classes. And there are some places that you need to go even though they are posted. Hospitals are some of them as most seem posted. Once the concept of protected classes was introduced it meant that the government did interfere with private property rights. The problem for LTC holders is that we are not a protected class. If I had a sign saying no LGBT people I would be in violation of the law. Protected class. A LGBT person doesn't have to enter the store with the sign but if they want to they can and actually sue the store owner. A LTC holder may be giving up his or her life though going in unarmed to a posted place and can not sue if injured. Business put up with restrictions all the time. So many handicap parking spots, so many fire extinguishers, so many bathrooms, etc. They tell you where to place signs for your employees, OSHA makes inspections, you name it and the concept of private property rights has already been nullified. So, I just don't accept that a business has a private property right to ban carry but I live with it and hope the law changes.

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SIGFan43 wrote: I am concerned for my friends who don't carry.

I think you are doing as much as you can do and there is no liability for the complex owners if someone is shot without having defense of a concealed handgun. On the other hand, let your friends who don't carry take care of their own exposure. Are they pushing to have the 30.06 signs removed? If enough of them did carry those signs might be down. Your concern is you and yours.

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