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steveincowtown wrote:I would submit that next session one of our Pro Gun allies in the Tx legislature should present bills to prevent carrying of a myriad of items past a sign. I mean why should stop at guns?

30.08- To prevent that carrying of pepper spray.

30.09- To prevent the carrying of knives.

30.10- To prevent chainsaws.

30.11- To prevent bolt cutters.

30.12- To prevent hooded sweatshirts.

30.13- To prevent wearing of boxers (briefs only past this sign)


The notion that eliminating the force of law behind 30.06 is a slap in the face to private property owners seems quite silly to me. You are not telling private property owners that they can't ask someone with a gun to leave; just that like any other person, a gun owner must be asked to leave (and not do so) to constituent trespass.


This is especially true if we are going for licensed open carry. Through 20 years of CHL history we have proven to be a law abiding bunch, yet some claim that if we were OCing and a business owner asked us to leave all heck would break loose. I would suspect the CHLers in TX will continue to be exemplary in their behavior, not matter how they happen to choose to carry their guns.

^^^This.....but I do have to disagree with 30.13. That should only apply to Open Carry....and only if there are two points of retention....

In order to get any true change in 30.06, it'll take a three-pronged approach:

1. LEGISLATIVE: Work with the Lege to reduce the penalty on 30.06 from Class A to Class C or eliminate it entirely by folding it into current trespass law. Reduce the number of places that can post 30.06 signs. And put significant penalties on posting an improperly posted 30.06 sign.

2. JUDICIAL: We've talked a lot about businesses having liability for customer safety if they post 30.06 law. Now it's time to put some teeth behind it. Anyone who becomes a crime victim because they were in a 30.06 posted business (even if in the parking lot) should sue that business under the same safety liability laws that cover wet floors or exposed wiring. And all the pro-gun groups like OCT, TSRA, and others should help bankroll these suits. Money talks, and writing checks to lawyers will send a strong message to businesses.

3. SOCIAL: This is the age of Facebook, Twitter, and social shaming. Time to use all three in the 30.06 fight. If you see a business that posts a 30.06 sign, post it on your social media pages and explain why you won't do business with them. And then post it on that business' social media pages. And post it on any other social media outlets you know of. Nothing says "social shaming" like having your business announced that it does not allow customers and employees to effectively defend themselves from those wishing to do criminal acts (or provide any type of security at all)...esp. before closing time when the cash register is full.

We have the tools.....let's build something!