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Beiruty wrote:

Bitter Clinger wrote:

Beiruty wrote:

Topbuilder wrote:

Abraham wrote:Is the shooter confirmed NOT to be a recent convert to radical islam?

Sad to say ISIS is looking more credible here than the FBI and VPD are. The times we live in... The Enquirer is now more credible than the mainstream media.

No credible info yet. After all those planning you would expect to have a video of shooter explaining why he did his heinous act.

OK, I am going for the conspiracy theory:

He was set up by Soros funded thugs (the thugs did the actual shooting and left this guy with no priors as the patsy). The object of the mission was to drive the government into implementing an Australian type gun confiscation after which ISIS terror cells - already in the US as a result of Obama's wide open borders - proceed to massacre us all and establish the American caliphate.

Not bad, eh?

You as I, we are aware the momemt 2ndA is nullified and confiscation begins, the 2nd Revolution would start. However nice 2nd Revolution to protect and uphold the 2ndA. 2ndR2p2ndA, hey let us file a patent for that term.

flintknapper wrote:

TVGuy wrote:

philip964 wrote:https://www.reviewjournal.com/local/the ... urce-says/

A number of bullet holes in aviation fuel tanks at 2000 feet from shooter. I forgot how close all this is to the airport.

Had a gun safe. Mentioned a gun room. I think we are up to 43 guns now.

Reno neighbors said he was strange.

Had allergy problems. Wore gloves, girlfriend didn't wear makeup or perfume. Casino cleaned carpets for him with plain water.

The AvGas thing is silly to me. This guy was intelligent by all accounts and a pilot. He had to know that shooting an aviation tank had virtually no chance to cause an explosion or a fire.

^^^^^^^ Yes, I wish the 'media' would do just a LITTLE research on this and STOP sensationalizing the event beyond what it already was.

The tanks were a long way away. Most recent reports are that a single round managed to penetrate one of the tanks (but no photos presented to support that). The type fuel would be displayed on the outside of the tank (JET A) almost certainly. Which is basically kerosene.

It is 'combustible' not 'flammable', meaning it has a flash point of 100° F or greater (the point at which it can even produce vapors). In order for there to be a fire, there would also need to be a certain level of oxygen present. The auto-ignition point for JET A is 410° F, so absent a flame...something would need to generate and transfer heat equal to that figure for the fuel to actually burn (the vapor that is).

So all of this talk about an 'Explosion' and how lucky everyone was....is just so much hyperbole being spewed by ignorant media personnel.

The conditions for even a fire did not exist, let alone an explosion. To my knowledge...no incendiary rounds were fired, so it just wasn't going to happen. (tanks explode or catch fire).

TVGuy wrote:

Soccerdad1995 wrote:

imkopaka wrote:

TVGuy wrote:
If you're using the term "terrorist" in the generic form, please refer to the actual definition:

"a person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political, religious, or ideological aims."

Fixed that for you. I agree with your point, but if you exclude religious and ideological goals from your definition, every Muslim terrorist attack that's ever occurred no longer meets the definition of "terrorism." One could argue that Antifa and BLM wouldn't either.

Until we know this guy's motives, we can't really say whether he is a terrorist, or not. We can speculate and guess, but that is all.

Agreed and that is why I said "until that link is proven". My point was that it is misleading and incorrect to call any mass killing a terrorist event.

imkopaka wrote:

TVGuy wrote:
If you're using the term "terrorist" in the generic form, please refer to the actual definition:

"a person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political, religious, or ideological aims."

Fixed that for you. I agree with your point, but if you exclude religious and ideological goals from your definition, every Muslim terrorist attack that's ever occurred no longer meets the definition of "terrorism." One could argue that Antifa and BLM wouldn't either.

Lynyrd wrote:

Soccerdad1995 wrote:

ScottDLS wrote:

Lynyrd wrote:

philip964 wrote:There is a photo on line of a receipt that a waiter has saved from the Mandalay Bay that shows the shooters room number and name.

Who did he eat with at the Mandalay Bay on the night of the 27th. The receipt says Guests 2.

https://imgoat.com/uploads/457c545a9d/48253.JPG

Who indeed? And this article says the receipt was for room service. You can see the date better in their picture.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/10 ... -2-people/

Since he was staying in a suite it's common to bring settings for more than one, even if only one person is registered. Usually they ask, but not always. I wouldn't read too much into it until more info comes out.

It seems odd that he would want a waiter to enter his room the night of the shooting. Cuts down significantly on his available prep time, IMHO. Although this does explain the availability of a room service cart for him to use in positioning the hallway camera.

The date on the receipt was 9/27/2017.

ScottDLS wrote:

Lynyrd wrote:

philip964 wrote:There is a photo on line of a receipt that a waiter has saved from the Mandalay Bay that shows the shooters room number and name.

Who did he eat with at the Mandalay Bay on the night of the 27th. The receipt says Guests 2.

https://imgoat.com/uploads/457c545a9d/48253.JPG

Who indeed? And this article says the receipt was for room service. You can see the date better in their picture.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/10 ... -2-people/

Since he was staying in a suite it's common to bring settings for more than one, even if only one person is registered. Usually they ask, but not always. I wouldn't read too much into it until more info comes out.

powerboatr wrote:Prayers to the family of the fallen and injured. ATTA BOY to the LEOs' and responders.


scanned through and have a few questions. Not to irritate, just to clarify or get my head around how this dude felt to be this evil.

he was up on 32nd floor (320 to 400 feet up). that put him at what 1000 to 1500 yards from the people.
So you think he planned this long before the weds before he checked in? i bet at least 6 months ago, he was planning .

If i call the hotel and request room X on floor X, will it be honored? Most likely ??? i am not a first time guest. obviously research was done on which rooms or elevations provided the best vantage point.
easy to see what venues are in town any day of the week.

when i traveled every week for the Big G, i could ask a hotel for a particular room or floor with no problems. Especially if i was a frequent visitor.

its reported he stayed in this hotel OFTEN, he knew the lay out, he had money to buy as many weapons as he needed.
thank GOD he was not a better marksman or the death toll would be much higher.

getting rifles in is easy as walking. Golf bags and fishing gear containers are a very easy way to go. i have never had a hotel ask if firearms were in my gear. As part of my travel gear, along with my personal suitcases, I rolled a huge pelican case we affectionately named the body bag, as it was big enough for two carcasses. No one ever questioned it. except TSA, and the poor guy that had to load it in the plane. But this guy drove in.

72 minutes, barricaded doors, set up his own cameras...lots of work for one guy to do in 3.5 days... how much if any was pre-positioned? did he do a spy thing and hide items in a hole in a wall or ceiling? from a previous trip?
its easy to hide "things" in a room away from prying eyes of housekeepers, in a suite.
just saying he would have been busy busy busy for three days setting up.

so many questions for this event. I have trouble thinking it was a one man job to set up.
sure would like to see the hotel cameras footage..i bet its very revealing.

philip964 wrote:It was pointed out to me online that the largest mass shooting in the United States of innocents was the massacre at Wounded Knee in 1890 where around 300 men women and children were shot and killed.

Was this view mistaken?

Where would Waco fit in?

RoyGBiv wrote:

bblhd672 wrote:If you think my previous comment about the left being evil is excessive, then consider this:

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/20 ... icans.html

A top lawyer for CBS said she is “not even sympathetic” to victims of the Las Vegas shooting because “country music fans often are Republican,” when discussing the tragic mass shooting that occurred in Las Vegas late Sunday night.

Fired.

CBS fires vice president who said Vegas victims didn't deserve sympathy because country music fans 'often are Republican'

“This individual, who was with us for approximately one year, violated the standards of our company and is no longer an employee of CBS. Her views as expressed on social media are deeply unacceptable to all of us at CBS. Our hearts go out to the victims in Las Vegas and their families,” a CBS spokeswoman told Fox News.

SQLGeek wrote:

bblhd672 wrote:If you think my previous comment about the left being evil is excessive, then consider this:

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/20 ... icans.html

A top lawyer for CBS said she is “not even sympathetic” to victims of the Las Vegas shooting because “country music fans often are Republican,” when discussing the tragic mass shooting that occurred in Las Vegas late Sunday night.

Wow. So that's where we are these days? Cheering when people who might support your "enemy" are gunned down. Lovely.

imkopaka wrote:

gregthehand wrote:It sounds like the shooter has an extended magazine and just dumps a whole mag in the video. This is very preliminary but I've heard a few Slide Fires being used this just tends to sound like one. Or some other kind of bump fire device. If I'm right I'd expect to see such devices under heavy scrutiny very soon.

I hadn't considered that. When the CNN analyst said it was a fully automatic and maybe even belt-fed weapon, I laughed and immediately disregarded it as CNN being....well, CNN. But then I saw the video and I agreed - it did sound like a machine gun. I hadn't considered slide or bump fire.

Bitter Clinger wrote:

philip964 wrote:50 Dead 400 injured. 10 rifles. Built a platform inside the room, broke out the window. Had a camera system, so he could tell when the police were at his room. He had been in the room since Thursday. Apparently well planned. The shooter is being reported as Stephen Paddock, 64. His family has no idea why he did this. No political affiliations. He lived in Nevada near Las Vegas.

No immediate obvious answers to why he did this.

Words cannot express the tragedy of this event and the utter senselessness of this horror.

Right. So its not like he carried all that up in his backpack in one trip just before it started. How did the hotel miss this? Somebody either screwed up big time or was bought off. This is bigger than this one guy.