I was thinking something similar. It is hard to know exactly when the drunk guy became an "adversary" in the eyes of the CHL instructor.Pariah3j wrote:I'll bite... when exactly was he standing within striking distance of him once became a threat ?Solaris wrote: I could not care less how many people want to pile on me. I have yet to see anyone take one of my points and say I was wrong (for example say it is a good tactic to stand within striking distance of an adversary). but the night is early!
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- Mon Jun 06, 2016 5:20 pm
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Re: CHL Instructor Shoots Aggressor at Gas Station
- Mon Jun 06, 2016 4:45 pm
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Re: CHL Instructor Shoots Aggressor at Gas Station
I read through this entire thread before viewing the video.
I must say that it is hard for me to fault the CHL instructor (CHL) here. There are a couple small issues. He seems a bit oblivious to the situation at first, but it is hard to know exactly what is going on at the point, up to and including when the drunk appears to try and get CHL to side with him against the clerk (when he pokes at CHL). Based on the minimal response by CHL to getting poked I can only guess that things were not all that heated at that point. When the drunk starts getting more demonstrative, CHL moves out of the action. After the drunk throws chips, CHL decides to put himself in a precarious position to the rear of a vehicle that has an apparently drunk guy at the wheel, and he appears to be looking at the plate. From that point on, CHL appears to be attempting to abandon the encounter and retreat, until retreat is not an option.
Personally, I would not have gotten involved. The worst thing that the drunk did was throw chips at the clerk. That is not a situation where I feel compelled to intervene, personally. If the clerk was getting pummeled and drunk looked like he was not about to stop, that's when I would have gotten involved. And then only if I didn't have my kids with me.
If we want to critique anyone, let's talk about the clerk. He continually escalates the situation. I find it especially humorous that the clerk yells at the drunk as the drunk is exiting, which leads to the drunk coming back in. Clerk's job #1 is to get the guy out of his store, the guy was leaving, so clerk had won. But he couldn't just keep quiet. Then at the end, the clerk decides to straighten up a display that had gotten knocked into instead of getting out of the line of fire. CHL had the weapon drawn at that point. The clerk is lucky he did not catch a bullet.
I must say that it is hard for me to fault the CHL instructor (CHL) here. There are a couple small issues. He seems a bit oblivious to the situation at first, but it is hard to know exactly what is going on at the point, up to and including when the drunk appears to try and get CHL to side with him against the clerk (when he pokes at CHL). Based on the minimal response by CHL to getting poked I can only guess that things were not all that heated at that point. When the drunk starts getting more demonstrative, CHL moves out of the action. After the drunk throws chips, CHL decides to put himself in a precarious position to the rear of a vehicle that has an apparently drunk guy at the wheel, and he appears to be looking at the plate. From that point on, CHL appears to be attempting to abandon the encounter and retreat, until retreat is not an option.
Personally, I would not have gotten involved. The worst thing that the drunk did was throw chips at the clerk. That is not a situation where I feel compelled to intervene, personally. If the clerk was getting pummeled and drunk looked like he was not about to stop, that's when I would have gotten involved. And then only if I didn't have my kids with me.
If we want to critique anyone, let's talk about the clerk. He continually escalates the situation. I find it especially humorous that the clerk yells at the drunk as the drunk is exiting, which leads to the drunk coming back in. Clerk's job #1 is to get the guy out of his store, the guy was leaving, so clerk had won. But he couldn't just keep quiet. Then at the end, the clerk decides to straighten up a display that had gotten knocked into instead of getting out of the line of fire. CHL had the weapon drawn at that point. The clerk is lucky he did not catch a bullet.