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The Annoyed Man wrote: ↑Thu Dec 15, 2022 8:55 am I’ve only ever been pulled over twice since I moved to Texas in 2006. Neither was for the manner in which I was driving, but rather for an expired registration window-sticker the first time, and a burned out taillight the second time. Both were with Southlake PD.

I just don’t think it’s a big deal to show both my LTC and TDL when asked for ID by Texas LEOs. With the first stop, the officer looked at my (then) CHL and asked me if I was armed. I said yes, and he asked me where it was. I said left hip, OWB. He said, "tell you what…you don’t show me yours and I won’t show you mine" and handed me back the CHL.

The second time I was pulled over, I handed both licenses to the cop. He glanced at the CHL and said "I don’t need this" and handed it back to me…and that was the end of it. Both times I was issued a no-fine fix-it ticket. I think that last time was in maybe 2010.

I just tend not to drive in a manner that’s going to get me noticed. I drive a generic-looking gray SUV that doesn’t really stand out; plus I look like Santa Claus…and NOBODY wants to give a ticket to Santa Claus!

Mike S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 14, 2022 8:49 am

Tex1961 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 14, 2022 8:30 am

RPBrown wrote: ↑Wed Dec 14, 2022 8:02 am I had to make a pre-bid meeting at the NASJRB in Fort Worth yesterday. I got about 1/2 way there and remembered my weapon so had to go back to the office to disarm . After this, I was running a little late so my foot was a little heavy. Sure enough, just as I crossed into Fort Worth, there he & she were. I pulled over, she made the initial contact so I handed her my DL & LTC. She must have been a new officer as I could see her get kind of uncomfortable but she asked where it was. I told her I was unarmed and she asked me "you expect me to believe that you have a LTC and don't carry?" At that point the other officer stepped in and asked why I wasn't carrying. I explained to them both about going to the base and couldn't carry there. She asked him if she should search my truck and his comment was what for? He has no reason to lie and has done nothing wrong except go a little fast. He let me go with a warning but I suspect there will be (or should be) a little more training involved.
All in all it was a good stop except for an over zealous rookie. And the fact I was late for my meeting

I would have very respectfully asked for her badge number and would have contacted her supervisor and requested that she gets more training. I would also have tried to have a conversation with her and explain that LTC holders are the good guys. There was absolutely no good reason for her to act that way except for ignorance and bad training.

I'd respectfully disagree & opine that RPBrown handled it as I would have. I would see it more of an "ignorance thru lack of experience" issue, and trust that the more senior partner likely provided some mentorship after the stop. The in-house coaching would likely be much more effective in shaping the new officer's future behavior in a positive way, & I generally advise students to avoid the proverbial "peeing contest" with officers roadside.

In the end, it sounds like RPBrown received a verbal warning & was let on his way with minimal delay or hassle. If it was a bad encounter, it would still be possible to lodge a complaint with the department as every traffic stop or encounter is called in, so there would be a log reflecting which pair of officers made the stop.

Regarding training regarding how to interact with an LTC holder, or anyone else carrying under constitutional carry, as the core issue, I would agree on this point.

RPBrown wrote: ↑Wed Dec 14, 2022 8:02 am I had to make a pre-bid meeting at the NASJRB in Fort Worth yesterday. I got about 1/2 way there and remembered my weapon so had to go back to the office to disarm . After this, I was running a little late so my foot was a little heavy. Sure enough, just as I crossed into Fort Worth, there he & she were. I pulled over, she made the initial contact so I handed her my DL & LTC. She must have been a new officer as I could see her get kind of uncomfortable but she asked where it was. I told her I was unarmed and she asked me "you expect me to believe that you have a LTC and don't carry?" At that point the other officer stepped in and asked why I wasn't carrying. I explained to them both about going to the base and couldn't carry there. She asked him if she should search my truck and his comment was what for? He has no reason to lie and has done nothing wrong except go a little fast. He let me go with a warning but I suspect there will be (or should be) a little more training involved.
All in all it was a good stop except for an over zealous rookie. And the fact I was late for my meeting