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frankie_the_yankee wrote:

numist wrote: I'm sure that some people hold there liquor (beer, wine, whatever) better than others. I've always been of the opinion that weapons and alcohol go together like a match in a fireworks stand.

I have never thought that maintaining proper behavior and judgement after having one beer is a matter of "holding one's liquor." I never feel the need to "hold my liquor." I tend to associate that term with people who have multiple drinks at a sitting.

The way I look at it, I'm the same nice, peaceful, law-abiding guy after drinking a beer than I was before. And I have the same legal and moral right to defend myself against criminal attack and/or the unlawful use (or attemp of use) of force against me.

For those rare individuals who have an abnormal response to alcohol such that their judgement goes out the window after one beer, I would say that they should avoid alcohol period, whether they are carrying or not.

For the rest of us, I think the current legal standards for intoxication and/or impaired judgement are reasonable.

So to me, guns and a beer go together like a beer and a steak.

I would just like to see the law apply to LEO's just as it does to CHL's. Right now, it's legal for LEO's to drink themselves drunk while carrying. I think this is wrong and should be changed.

I agree that LEO should be held to the same standards. Please don't take my opinion on this issue as any kind of personal attack. I just believe that when weapons and alcohol don't mix.
I just wouldn't want to have alcohol on my breath if I have to use my weapon. I love a good, cold beer on occasion but I won't be carrying when I imbibe.

frankie_the_yankee wrote:

This might be a reason not to let LEO (or anyone else) drink while packing:

All I see there is a reason to fire two irresponsible cops. If the allegations are true, I wouldn't want those guys on the street with badges and guns whether they had been drinking or not.

I do not see where their behavior, as alleged, is in any way typical of people who have had one drink and/or are not intoxicated.

I went out to eat tonight with my sister who is visiting from Florida. I had a bottle of Corona along with what proved to be a very nice steak. All the time my Para Carry 6.45 LDA was tucked in at its customary 3 o'clock position.

I didn't have any problems.

I'm sure that some people hold there liquor (beer, wine, whatever) better than others. I've always been of the opinion that weapons and alcohol go together like a match in a fireworks stand.

frankie_the_yankee wrote:

Russell wrote: Next, it would be removal of the prohibition against carrying at a 51% posted location as long as the actor is not drinking alcohol AT ALL, and a professional sporting event (that one is just ridiculous)

As long as they also pass a law that says LEO's can't drink AT ALL when carrying in a 51% establishment, that would be OK with me. Right now, LEO's can drink in 51% establishments, or anywhere alse where drinking is allowed, to their heart's content. Even to the point of getting intoxicated while carrying. (As TXI pointed out once, there is no law currently prohibiting LEO's from getting intoxicated while carrying. The current law only applies to CHL's.)

This might be a reason not to let LEO (or anyone else) drink while packing:

Monday, Jan 14, 2008
Posted on Sun, Jan. 13, 2008
2 Dallas cops fired over singer gun case

The Associated Press
Two city police officers accused of holding country music singer Steve Holy and a friend at gunpoint during a home game of foosball have been fired.
Officers Randy Anderson, 25, and Paul Loughridge, 48, each face a misdemeanor charge of deadly conduct in connection with the Dec. 27 allegation. If convicted, they could face a year in jail and a fine of up to $4,000.

"Their behavior that night is disturbing and not consistent with how we expect our Dallas police officers to perform," said Police Chief David Kunkle, who fired the men Friday.

Holy and his friend said they met the two officers at a bar, then went to Holy's house to play foosball in his garage.

According to police reports, Anderson began questioning the identity of Holy, whose songs include "Brand New Girlfriend."

Holy and his friend told police that Anderson and Loughridge pointed their guns at them and told them to get on the ground. Before the officers left, the report says, Anderson told Holy that he'd kill him if he said anything about the incident.

Holy declined to comment on the firings. "I have a lot to say when it's time to say it," he said.

However, his lawyer, Toby Shook, said the firings were "a no-brainer on Chief Kunkle's part."

"It's clear that everyone who has looked at the facts of the case have found these two officers aren't credible," Shook said. "They're the ones that got fired. They're the ones that fled the scene that night; the victims called 911 right away."

Loughridge questioned the weight given the 911 call. "After listening to the 911 tapes, the level of credibility given these two gentlemen is astounding, and in fact, it's actually scary," he said.

Anderson had no comment except that he said he agreed with Loughridge.

On the 911 recording, the operator sounded frustrated by an inability to get information from Holy, who told her several times that he's a recording artist.

When she tried to ask Holy if the two officers left together, he answered: "He put a gun to our heads."

"OK, you told me that at least five or six times," she said. "I have that. I understand that."

Shook has acknowledged that his client had been drinking, but said the confusion heard on the 911 call came from the shock of the experience.