Yep..... “First do no harm” applies to people who are your patients. although it expresses a commendable sentiment, there’s no way that oath applies outside of the healthcare arena, and it isn’t a commandment for every aspect of your life away from work. If it were, then nurses would be barred from stuff like ....... uhhhh..... voting democrat, or assisting in performing abortions for instance. Secondly, the oath doesn’t say “first do no harm, even if it means the other person kills you”. Third, by shooting someone who badly needs to be shot, she may be preventing harm that person would have done to someone else down the road - not to mention preventing harm to herself. There are plenty of doctors who have LTCs and carry......and they take the same oath to first do no harm.Jusme wrote:The Annoyed Man wrote:There was a thread posted just in the last couple of weeks from someone asking if one has a responsibility to provide first aid to the person one has just shot in self-defense (http://texaschlforum.com/viewtopic.php? ... 1#p1200761). The story in the OP of this thread shows exactly why you shouldn’t get close enough to do that. Unless the GSW is immediately incapacitating for medical reasons, the decision to give up when shot is entirely in the shot person’s control. They decide to quit. The flip side of that is that they are also capable of deciding to fight. If you shoot someone, and he quits, he’s still a desperate man. If you give him the opening to get out of his predicament, he may well take it. You can’t give him that opening as long as you stay out of his reach.
My daughter was hesitant to get her LTC, because she is an RN, and was worried, that if she had to shoot someone, it would violate her nursing oath, which in part ( because I don't know the whole thing and I am admittedly too lazy to look up) says that she would cause no harm to her patients. I explained that anyone who wished to cause her harm, was not her "patient" until he/she had been admitted. Until then they were her attacker, and her shooting them, was not a violation of her oath. Even if her actions, resulted in them becoming her patient.
I would sure hate to wake up in ICU, and see my intended victim, as my caregiver. It might cause me to believe Judgement had already determined my fate!!
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- Mon May 14, 2018 11:35 am
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There was a thread posted just in the last couple of weeks from someone asking if one has a responsibility to provide first aid to the person one has just shot in self-defense (http://texaschlforum.com/viewtopic.php? ... 1#p1200761). The story in the OP of this thread shows exactly why you shouldn’t get close enough to do that. Unless the GSW is immediately incapacitating for medical reasons, the decision to give up when shot is entirely in the shot person’s control. They decide to quit. The flip side of that is that they are also capable of deciding to fight. If you shoot someone, and he quits, he’s still a desperate man. If you give him the opening to get out of his predicament, he may well take it. You can’t give him that opening as long as you stay out of his reach.
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Re: That thing that never happens...it happened again
I would hope that, in your scenario, the cop would have the good sense to show his badge.Soccerdad1995 wrote:This case shows why these types of situations are so challenging. I read this part:
and I thought to myself, there is no way that guy would have turned to face me and my wife/girlfriend while holding a gun. I would have shot him as soon as he started to turn, and possibly as soon as I saw him pointing the gun at an unknown woman.The officers were told by the couple that they were on their way home when they observed a 29-year-old female being held at gunpoint by a male, later identified as Jeremy Cintron, 20-years-old of 21 Fairfax Road. The robbery was in the area of Sterling and Seymour Streets. Fearing for the female’s safety, the citizen produced his own hand gun that he legally possessed and pointed it at Mr. Cintron. The citizen yelled at him to drop his weapon. At this time Mr. Cintron turned and pointed the weapon at the citizen and began walking towards him. The citizen yelled out several more times to drop the weapon and finally Mr. Cintron complied.
Then I considered the possibility that this was an undercover cop who was in the middle of making an arrest of a violent criminal (the woman in this case). If so, I would have just shot a cop, and the actual criminal now has easy access to the cops gun.
This would be a great situation for a "shoot / don't shoot" simulator. And it is a very challenging situation to correctly figure out. Make a wrong decision and your wife dies, or you shoot a cop, and a criminal shoots you and your wife.