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TXBO wrote:

canvasbck wrote:

Charles L. Cotton wrote:

TXBO wrote:

anygunanywhere wrote:

TXBO wrote:Unlicensed OC and licensed CC is a good next step. Criminals just don't open carry or use holsters.

Reducing prohibited places for CHL is the most important next step. Unlicensed OC is a pipe dream.

I don't agree. People that get a threat to their life need a way to legally carry without waiting 30 to 60 days to obtain a license. I wish everybody was proactive with self defense training and a CHL before they ever had a threat to their life but that's just not the case.

But after the 30 - 60 days are up and one has a CHL, they can carry a self-defense handgun, but not in off-limits areas so they are defenseless in those areas. That's why I feel that removing all off-limits areas is the most important step we can take for Texas gun owners.

If you mean we should push for unlicensed carry rather than eliminating off-limits areas, then I disagree. As long as OCT and Grisham are polluting the political atmosphere, it's not going to pass. Plus, even if it does, then the off-limits areas will not only still exist, it will be virtually impossible to even reduce their number, much less repeal them in total.

I do think we should repeal some of the current CHL eligibility requirements such as those dealing with deferred adjudications, non-violent offenses, child support and taxes. A person's life and the lives of their families should not be put at risk for such issues. This issue is also one that should be addressed after removing off-limits areas. It's not only a matter of priority, but also a matter of timing. Pushing for legislation out of sequence could result in a current victory that precludes future victories. Bills that would remove off-limits areas have been filed in the last two legislative sessions and they went nowhere. This is the case even though those bills would impact only CHL's with our outstanding track record. Imagine trying to remove off-limits areas after unlicensed-carry were to pass. It would never happen. The proper bill at the proper time is critical to continuing success.

Chas.

This is the roadmap for the 2017 session. End of story.

Passing unlicensed carry before removing off limits locations would remove the most compelling argument for removing prohibited locations currently available........CHL holders have a much better record than joe blow citizen and their crime stats are even better than the record amongst LEO's. If we as a society are comfortable with off duty LEO carrying in certain locations, why are we not comfortable with a group with an even BETTER criminal record?

Not at all. There can still be different rules for CHL holders.

Taypo wrote:

Charles L. Cotton wrote:

TXBO wrote:

anygunanywhere wrote:

TXBO wrote:Unlicensed OC and licensed CC is a good next step. Criminals just don't open carry or use holsters.

Reducing prohibited places for CHL is the most important next step. Unlicensed OC is a pipe dream.

I don't agree. People that get a threat to their life need a way to legally carry without waiting 30 to 60 days to obtain a license. I wish everybody was proactive with self defense training and a CHL before they ever had a threat to their life but that's just not the case.

But after the 30 - 60 days are up and one has a CHL, they can carry a self-defense handgun, but not in off-limits areas so they are defenseless in those areas. That's why I feel that removing all off-limits areas is the most important step we can take for Texas gun owners.

Chas.

Since we're on the subject, is there any chance of changes to 30.06? I'm really, really torn on the current model. I respect business and property rights, but I'm also frustrated as heck with every movie theater, gym and hotel with a sign maker posting...

TXBO wrote:

anygunanywhere wrote:

TXBO wrote:Unlicensed OC and licensed CC is a good next step. Criminals just don't open carry or use holsters.

Reducing prohibited places for CHL is the most important next step. Unlicensed OC is a pipe dream.

I don't agree. People that get a threat to their life need a way to legally carry without waiting 30 to 60 days to obtain a license. I wish everybody was proactive with self defense training and a CHL before they ever had a threat to their life but that's just not the case.

Excaliber wrote:

Beiruty wrote:Wait few years and the law would be "enhanced" once people realize that CC and OC is a none issue, things would advance. The only thing that I do not like and I am against is convicted felons and gang members would carry with no penalty or at least no questions asked. I know that they do now. They will open carry if they want to and if they do carry concealed and they were pulled over how the LEO can decide if they are felons with firearms?

Trust me when I say that an experienced LEO can tell the difference between a CHL holder and a felon most of the time just from body language and the look in the person's eyes when he spots the officer. There are also many reasons to stop someone other than for open carry and bad guys tend to be pretty sloppy about not crossing lines. LEO's figure those things out pretty successfully today, and open carry won't diminish their ability to do so.