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warhorse10_9 wrote:
...I don't want to secure the campus, I want to secure myself and my love ones no matter where I may be....

chasfm11 wrote:

Oldgringo wrote: As do I. There is no issue with "the reality of crime and illegal gun use". The question is the group mentality/maturity setting of party/football weekend on a college campus. It is a sticky wicket, eh?

Oh well, I have no kids nor grandkids in any college anywhere and I have no business on any campus. Let 'er go boys, let's see how it works out....for all of us.

Best wishes, Bronco!

We can agree to disagree, based on a couple more points.

1. The "group mentality" that you talk about is not isolated to the campus environment. Young adults who have never set foot on a college campus are involved it, too. The truth is that many times the party atmosphere that you are speaking about occurs in off-campus houses, not the college dorms. Those off campus houses aren't legally controlled by the school. I do understand that school policies cover them but that isn't the same as the TPC or Federal gun free zone control.
2. Tonight, I will be going to the UNT campus to attend an event. I do this fairly often. When I attended UT Arlington classes, more than 10% of my classmates had grey hair like me. The demographics on campus today are different than you might expect, with a lot more people over 25 attending classes. I will tolerate disarming to pick up my granddaughter at her school during broad daylight. I see no excuse at all for my having to disarm to walk into a University building late at night. It is nothing but Liberal gun paranoia gone awry.

Heartland Patriot wrote:

bronco78 wrote:

Oldgringo wrote:
Nope. I think guns should be everywere. My reservations are with a thing that I'll call 'group maturity'. There's probably a more scientific name.

I don't know how it was when you were in college but that scene can often get pretty loose. A mature 21+ y.o. student with a CHL is one thing. A partying group of 18-21+ y.o. students is another thing altogether...if you will recall. Please don't compare armed young people in the military to armed college students. Those are totally horses of different colors.

FWIW, I'm all for the mature and responsible students and instructors being allowed to CC on campus.

75% or your stated demographic is not even eligible to have a CHL.

I do understand your point though

If a 21 year old person on campus can be trusted with alcohol and a 4,00 pound deadly weapon, why are we concerned with them having a smaller weapon?
As is proven time and time again... those who have gone through the process to get a CHL, are not at issue with the reality of crime and illegal gun use. It really is not debatable, unless those against ignore or flat out lie. (both common).
Same with carrying on a Military base.
Same with carrying anywhere.. The facts ARE CLEAR AND IRREFUTABLE ... It is not the honest citizen with a concealed gun carried under permission of a CHL that are committing the overwhelming majority of gun related crimes.. It is criminals, who do not obey laws, signs, or ignorant University presidential demands.

With bronco78

stroo wrote:There is not a "smattering" of liberal professors on college campuses. On the vast majority of campuses, it is a liberal professor stew with a touch of moderates/conservatives.

SRH78 wrote:

RPB wrote:I would be more worried about a liberal college professor teaching (indoctrinating) on campus than a legally armed and licensed 21 yr old student .

RoyGBiv wrote:This Cato study is already discussed in another thread.
Here's my takeaway regarding campus carry.

Page 16-17
the numbers collected since 1900 show that
crimes of every nature are on the rise on college
campuses. Out of 110 years of data collected
and studied, the past two decades account
for 60 percent of the total number of
crimes committed. In 2008 there were 3,287
rapes, 60 killings, 5,026 assaults, and 4,562
robberies committed across college campuses.
Statistically, combining college campuses
nationwide, there are about 9 sexual
assaults per day.
........................
after Colorado’s 2003 concealed
carry law was enacted, Colorado State University
decided to allow concealed carry,
while the University of Colorado prohibited
firearms. The former observed a rapid decline
in reported crimes, while the latter, under
the gun ban they claimed was for safety,
observed a rapid increase in crime. Crime
at the University of Colorado has risen 35
percent since 2004, while crime at Colorado
State University has dropped 60 percent in
the same time frame.

All I can say is.....

JJVP wrote:

Oldgringo wrote:Folks, at the risk of being deemed a heretic by my fellow Texas CH licensees, I have reservations about guns on campus.

We had guns in the Dorm at what was then TPI in the early 60's. I later had guns in our married student apartment at the Univ of Tenn in the mid '60's. We openly carried these guns to our cars to go hunting and it wasn't a big deal and it wasn't illegal. The same was true with our fishing poles, etc.

For better or worse, this is not the same country now as it was then. Just sayin'...

Flame away.

....So you have a problem with law abiding CHL'ers carrying on campus....