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tbryanh wrote:

Liberty wrote:

tbryanh wrote:I also feel the Sig is the safest pistol out there. That is why I chose it.

Is there a reason why? Just wondering there are lots of DA/SA with hammers, and it my platform of choice. Is there a reason that this design is safer than others... The one thing that does differentiate the M11-1A from similar handguns is that it has a decocker instead of a safety.

Just curious.

As mentioned, it is safe to holster by keeping your thumb on the hammer. It appears this is what the after market device for the Glock is trying to achieve.

Other DA/SA pistols that have safeties instead of decockers add complexity to operating the pistol. In an urgent situation, you can forget to take off the safety, then when you are unable to pull the trigger, your mind might go blank at that point as to what the problem is. This is why I stay away from pistols that have safeties.

The heavy trigger pull on the first shot makes up for not having a safety.

Many police administrators thought so too - until they discovered that heavy trigger pulls significantly and adversely affect accuracy among those who do not train frequently.

Making the gun harder to shoot also makes it harder to shoot well.

This doesn't mean that it's not a good choice for a given individual who is willing to maintain a high level of skill with the weapon, but in general a gun with a heavy trigger pull on the first or all shots wouldn't be a good choice for an occasional shooter from an accuracy performance under stress standpoint.

Liberty wrote:There is nothing wrong with a good nylon holster either. With a DA/SA Inside the waste it is practical and safe. It won't rip ones own personal hide to shreds like Kydex. nor irritate quite like tanned leather. . Although speedy holstering isn't going to happen. Disarming does involve removing both holster and handgun, but a good holster shouldn't ever be drawn with the handgun if properly worn,,,, A good belt is essential.

Everything is an engineering tradeoff. Complexity reliability, convienience. Trainining , Ease of use. There is no one answer for everyone.
No best handgun. No best holster rig, not even best training. A combinition of things though can make us pretty well prepared.

This is true, and is why nylon rigs are not good holsters - because they DO come out with the gun way too often when a rapid draw is attempted.

rockinar wrote:

OldCannon wrote:"Soft" holsters are bad, exactly for the reason you have (safely) observed. If you have a gun with an external safety, like a 1911, they're not AS bad, but still.

"Soft" holsters are not bad. Holstering and unholstering any gun while sitting down in a vehicle is bad. Gun in a center console is useless. Might as well leave it at home.

The only acceptable use I can think of for a soft holster is for off body use and keeping stuff out of the trigger guard - for example, using it instead of a zip up case for a gun kept in a truck console.

They are nothing but misery for on body use. They don't hold their shape, the holster itself can get caught inside the trigger guard( see the OP ), and they are nearly impossible to reholster with one handed as one may well need to do immediately after an engagement. They also almost always come with thin metal clips that allow the holster to come out of the pants with the gun when an attempt is made to draw the gun in a serious situation. (Don't ask me how I know this last point, but the moment I discovered it was the last time I ever carried a soft belt holster, and that was 40 years ago.)

Their drawbacks far exceed the advantage of their cheap price.

To those who have used guns professionally for serious purposes, seeing one in use marks the wearer as someone whose gun handling skills should be regarded as suspect at best.

Edit: You may have noticed that they often appear in pictures of OCT events.

Jumping Frog wrote:

Excaliber wrote:Never again - no nylon holsters for this kid.

My only use for a nylon holster is serving as a glovebox holster. I keep it in the glovebox. If I need to go inside someone disarmed, I'll draw from my IWB and put it in the glovebox holster.

That makes sense and is a good use for a nylon holster. It keeps the gun from getting scratched up while banging around in the glovebox.

MadMonkey wrote:This is why I stay away from nylon holsters and keep a close eye on wear and tear on my leather ones. Glad you're okay!

I won't use any holster that doesn't provide a consistently rigid channel for the gun. I had a few bad experiences early on, including having one of those nylon clip on holsters coming off the belt and out with the gun when I was drawing it to deal with an incident and really didn't need any unexpected complications.

Never again - no nylon holsters for this kid.

These days I use kydex much more than leather.