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by wil
Sat Jun 26, 2021 11:24 am
Forum: General Legislative Discussions
Topic: Texas-Made Suppressors Exempt From NFA Regulations HB 957
Replies: 26
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Re: Texas-Made Suppressors Exempt From NFA Regulations HB 957

ELB wrote: Sat Jun 26, 2021 8:40 am
wil wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 4:36 pm Perhaps our state AG has chosen to force the issue finally.
More accurately perhaps, the Legislature has chosen to force the issue. They have given the state attorney general a hook to be able to employ the resources of the state. Normally if you get busted for an unregistered suppressor, you cannot call on the states attorney general to be your defense lawyer and argue anything at all. Now you can employ the AG in advance and avoid getting busted. As long as you don’t actually build the suppressor without a tax stamp.

This will be tough sledding no doubt, I’m sure the feds will First oppose this on procedural grounds, Arguing that it’s improper for the state attorney general to seek a judgment on behalf of an individual or somesuch. Or that he doesn’t have a standing because he’s not the one trying to build a suppressor, things of that nature. It’s possible that that entire line of argument will have to be argued up to the Scotus and back before the actual substance of the case, the declaratory judgment, can be argued. That could be measured in years.

But it certainly has the potential to be a much bigger deal than Constitutional carry. Constitutional carry is not a precedent setting event, there’s already 20 states that do it. Upending The overreach of the commerce clause interpretation, that is HUGE, Affects the entire country, and affects all kinds of regulatory power.
This legislation has enormous potential given what it inherently creates on multiple levels. It's to be expected fed will fight this tooth and nail. If it doesn't go to Scotus I would be surprised, and if / when it goes that far and Scotus accepts the case rather than dodging it or attempting to stop it via rejecting it, I would be extremely surprised.

The fact that the state AG is directly involved with this and puts state resources into it is a game-changer.

I'm not an attorney so my subsequent thoughts could be completely wrong, as for arguing the AG has no standing I suspect is a hollow argument. Why?

His job is to enforce the law, in this instance it is the commercial commerce clause which is really the issue, and it being the law then it's his job to enforce it properly. Which has not been done owing to the damnable court rulings in the past.
So I would say he does have standing owing to the law being improperly applied and it being his duty to either apply the law or see that it is properly applied.

I agree this is going to be a long haul in the courts. If fed loses this they lose an enormous amount of power over the states and by default over the public.
by wil
Thu Jun 24, 2021 4:36 pm
Forum: General Legislative Discussions
Topic: Texas-Made Suppressors Exempt From NFA Regulations HB 957
Replies: 26
Views: 20454

Re: Texas-Made Suppressors Exempt From NFA Regulations HB 957

Soccerdad1995 wrote: Mon May 24, 2021 9:46 am
wil wrote: Mon May 24, 2021 9:08 am under a truthful reading of the commerce clause, this is entirely legal. The battle is likely going to be over the federal court case which said that if a given item doesn't cross state lines, it by default effects commerce within another state owing to it not being available. Which is completely non-logical in the face of what the commerce clause says.

I don't remember what court case it was, I think it was two brothers, farmers of some sort, who brought the case all the way to SCOTUS and they reaffirmed the original ruling.

I suspect fedgov will use this as an excuse to try to shut it down should this go through the legal system.
If we can get this issue revisited by the current SCOTUS, that in itself would be a win. The past case made a complete mockery of the commerce clause and basically said that the federal government can regulate all commerce, not just inter-state commerce.
did what homework I could find, it is evidently the Wickard case which did the most damage, that being the case where the Scotus said that a lack of an interstate transaction therefore creates an interstate transaction owing to the presumption there would have been a transaction, which is simply an outright lie.

That will likely be the supposed pretext the feds will use to try to stop this. It is long past time for this lie of a decision to face genuine scrutiny.

I spoke to some attorney friends and they said that there is a reasonably good chance of this happening, subsequent court cases have pretty much overturned that ruling however it's a question of nobody has ever really made a coordinated effort to force the issue in court via subsequent rulings. Perhaps our state AG has chosen to force the issue finally.
by wil
Mon May 24, 2021 9:08 am
Forum: General Legislative Discussions
Topic: Texas-Made Suppressors Exempt From NFA Regulations HB 957
Replies: 26
Views: 20454

Re: Texas-Made Suppressors Exempt From NFA Regulations HB 957

under a truthful reading of the commerce clause, this is entirely legal. The battle is likely going to be over the federal court case which said that if a given item doesn't cross state lines, it by default effects commerce within another state owing to it not being available. Which is completely non-logical in the face of what the commerce clause says.

I don't remember what court case it was, I think it was two brothers, farmers of some sort, who brought the case all the way to SCOTUS and they reaffirmed the original ruling.

I suspect fedgov will use this as an excuse to try to shut it down should this go through the legal system.

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