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Haven't there been many instances where some employee has told someone that they do not allow firearms only to find out that the business does not prohibit them and it was only that one employee's opinion or irrational fear for telling the person in the first place?

Right2Carry wrote:

CleverNickname wrote:

suthdj wrote:So on Jan 1 when I walk into IKEA I just need to tuck in my shirt unless they post a 30.07

Well, there is the fact that it will be obvious that you're carrying, so assuming Ikea doesn't want anyone carrying in their stores, no matter the method, then all that will be required is verbal notification telling you to leave.

I wonder if any store employee can give verbal notice or does it need to be a member of management?

(2) “Notice” means:
(A) oral or written communication by the owner or someone with apparent
authority to act for the owner;

Funny thing is I've never noticed the word "apparent" before. Box boy probably doesn't cut it ( no pun intended), but I'm not sure where the line would be drawn on that one.

jmra wrote:

casp625 wrote:So... If I am wearing OWB with a really thin shirt and come across a 30.07 sign, will pulling my shirt over and having extreme printing be considered OC or CC? Technically, that could be considered partially visible/wholly visible since anyone would be able to tell there is a holster handgun underneath the shirt. I guess an owner could always just verbally tell me to leave otherwise.

It would be concealed carry. There is no "printing" law.

I'm not so sure. Just because it has a thin layer of material over it doesn't necessarily mean it is concealed. A holstered gun under a really thin shirt with extreme printing may be openly discernible to the ordinary observation of a reasonable person that it is a gun.

(3) “Concealed handgun” means a handgun, the presence of which is not
openly discernible to the ordinary observation of a reasonable person.

I start a new job on Monday where they have 30.06 signs on every entrance I've seen so far. I'll have to pay attention and see if they add 30.07 signs and update the 30.06 signs.

jmra wrote:

Ruark wrote:It just crossed my mind that some places have the 3006 text etched into the glass. They're going to be ticked off at having to replace it because of a couple of changed words.

I just hope people (even some members of this forum) don't call them up and tell them their sign is wrong.

No kidding. No gloating and telling them their sign is no longer compliant.

rotor wrote:

jmra wrote:

rotor wrote:So, correct me if I am wrong

on Jan 1, 2016 New 30.06 sign will be needed , one in English and one in Spanish at a single location at a main entrance, 1" block letters, etc.

A 30.07 sign, exact wording, etc. at each entrance.

Possible any combination of above although I doubt they would post a 30.06 but not a 30.07. Stores are going to need a lot of sign space to post all of these things.

Where did "single location at a main entrance" come from? I haven't seen that wording. 30.06 does not require separate signs with one in Spanish and one in English. It does require the wording in both English and Spanish but typically that is all on one sign.

That's why I said correct me if I am wrong. 30.06 sign (one sign in English and Spanish combined) but only required at a single location at main entrance as far as I know. There is no requirement to post 30.06 at every entrance is there? With 30.07 there is. Yes?

The current or new 30.06 sign does not even have to be at an entrance. It only has to be "displayed in a conspicuous manner clearly visible to the public."

TexasCajun wrote:

C-dub wrote:

TexasCajun wrote:

Rrash wrote:30.06 will apply specifically to concealed. The wording of 30.06 will be changed to reflect concealed carry. 30.07 will apply specifically to open. On Jan 1,2016, all current 30.06 signs will be invalid and will need to be replaced with the updated 30.06 that specifies concealed carry.

30.06 did not change, so existing signs on private property will continue to be enforceable and will continue to be applicable to concealed carry. HB910 provides for a new 30.07 sign that would be applicable to open carry. So property owners could opt to change out their 30.06 for 30.07 or add 30.07 to their already posted 30.06.

30.06 will change. Three new words have been inserted and five words will be struck out.

My apologies. I didn't realize that 30.06 had changed. I stand corrected.

No worries. It's all new and going to take some time to get used to the new laws.

suthdj wrote:So on Jan 1 when I walk into IKEA I just need to tuck in my shirt unless they post a 30.07

From the little devil smilie, I'm pretty sure you're aware of your odds of getting oral notification or a police escort out of the building if you did OC past the obsolete 30.06 sign. IKEA is fairly well know for being anti-gun, so it wouldn't surprise me if they've already got their 30.07 signs ordered.

TexasCajun wrote:

Rrash wrote:30.06 will apply specifically to concealed. The wording of 30.06 will be changed to reflect concealed carry. 30.07 will apply specifically to open. On Jan 1,2016, all current 30.06 signs will be invalid and will need to be replaced with the updated 30.06 that specifies concealed carry.

30.06 did not change, so existing signs on private property will continue to be enforceable and will continue to be applicable to concealed carry. HB910 provides for a new 30.07 sign that would be applicable to open carry. So property owners could opt to change out their 30.06 for 30.07 or add 30.07 to their already posted 30.06.

30.06 will change. Three new words have been inserted and five words will be struck out.

If I looked at the correct version the new text will look like the following.

"Pursuant to Section 30.06, Penal Code (trespass by license holder with a concealed handgun), a person licensed under Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code (handgun licensing law), may not enter this property with a concealed handgun"
30.06 still only says a sign must be clearly visible to the public.

And the 30.07 sign will have this language.

"Pursuant to Section 30.07, Penal Code (trespass by license holder with an openly carried handgun), a person licensed under Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code (handgun licensing law), may not enter this property with a handgun that is carried openly"
30.07 says that this sign must be clearly visible to the public at each entrance to the property.

Both signs must have contrasting block letters at least 1" in height and in English and Spanish. Offenses for both are Class C misdemeanors. However, there is one other thing that has changed with regards to 30.06 and the reduction from a Class A to a Class C. Both are Class C simply for violating the signs. Previously, violating a 30.06 was a Class A, but only if the CHL also received oral notification and subsequently failed to depart. That part will stay and remain a Class A and will apply to both 30.06 and 30.07.

I'm not going to say that the current 30.06 sign won't be changed, but it already is specific for concealed carry.



However, since OC is only legal with a CHL, I suppose this sign could apply to both. Maybe the change will make it only apply to CC and 30.07 will only apply to OC. If that is what has passed and goes into effect I'm surprised that there wasn't more resistance to that from the dems.