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apvonkanel wrote:

OldCurlyWolf wrote:

jailbird wrote:

bagman45 wrote:Get rid of ALL of them!!! Complete revenue grab. Do a bit of research; most are issued for failure to come to a complete stop while turning right on a red light. No danger to anyone, but annoying and expensive for those who choose to pay them....

And that is EXACTLY what happened to me in Plano. Stopped at a red light approaching US-75, cross traffic JUST got a green light and was about to start. I could safely go so I did, and got a ticket for failure to stop because they claim I wasn't completely stopped for a full 2 seconds.

Yes, I realize technically I did break the law by not stopping for a full 2 seconds before turning, but it was completely safe, nobody was in any harm in any way, it was just a monkey grab.

Per some admittedly incomplete research, the 2 second rule you mentioned, DOES NOT EXIST.

Here are a couple of places I looked.

http://www.answers.com/Q/How_long_shoul ... sign_in_TX

http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/D ... TN.544.htm

OCW is correct. The traffic laws use the phrase "shall stop at a clearly marked stop line. In the absence of a stop line, the operator shall stop before entering". Nowhere is there a minimum time for the "stop. You vehicle must not be in motion. Nowhere in the state law is there a requirement for a minimum length of time for the stop. On a side note, there is no legal requirement for you to stop at any point in a yellow light. The laws are pretty vague regarding stopping at the transition from yellow to red (often left to interpretation of the officer and/or judge). For example, in Pasadena SOP is if most of your car is past the entrance of the intersection before it turns red they will generally let you go (or the judge will dismiss). Deer Park, however, will ticket and convict if any of your car isn't past the entrance of the intersection. Oddly enough, there is no regulation regarding a "buffer time" between one direction turning red and the other green. Some municipalities have their lights change simultaneously, others allow a second or two for traffic clearing through the intersection.

jailbird wrote:

bagman45 wrote:Get rid of ALL of them!!! Complete revenue grab. Do a bit of research; most are issued for failure to come to a complete stop while turning right on a red light. No danger to anyone, but annoying and expensive for those who choose to pay them....

And that is EXACTLY what happened to me in Plano. Stopped at a red light approaching US-75, cross traffic JUST got a green light and was about to start. I could safely go so I did, and got a ticket for failure to stop because they claim I wasn't completely stopped for a full 2 seconds.

Yes, I realize technically I did break the law by not stopping for a full 2 seconds before turning, but it was completely safe, nobody was in any harm in any way, it was just a monkey grab.

doncb wrote:I hope it doesn't pass. In fact, I would like to see the fines made into a moving violation. I'd also like to see cameras at every intersection. It's one thing to have to squeak through the light. Something totally different to see 2, 3 or 4 cars go through the light.