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Paladin wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2023 4:22 pm
I wanted to believe the original release was accidental... but I feel there has been far too much coverup for it to have been an accident. The perpetrators are covering their tracks.

I believe they were covering for the gain of function research being paid for by the USG.
I believe the leak was an accident. YMMV.

surprise_i'm_armed wrote: ↑Thu Sep 07, 2023 4:05 pm Jill Biden, after getting all her shots + boosters, got Covid 19. If you take all those shots and still get it, why bother getting the shots?
......just sayin'.

SIA

The vaccine provides for the introduction of a never-before-seen virus into your immune system. The issue with the original round of COVID was that it could take 2 weeks for your body to recognize this "novel" invader as as a virus and begin to react to it... for many people it was too late.

Now... pretty much everyone has been either exposed or vaccinated... your body will recognize the virus and send antibodies to fight it right away, assuming you have a normal immune system.

I never believed the vaccines would give us immunity from infection. Just like you can still get the regular flu after getting vaccinated. It was the novel nature of the COVID virus that was the real danger and vaccination was a strong remedy against having the virus kill you.

chasfm11 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2023 8:09 am I have a different view. The virus was never as deadly as has been claimed or manufactured. By manufactured, I mean that many of the deaths "from Covid" were actually deaths from other causes which were attributed and included in the statistics for Covid but not caused by it. I have first hand knowledge of several of those. In addition, one could attribute the ventilator treatment as medical incompetence but I don't. It was deliberate. They knew that it wasn't working and they kept doing it, rejecting several other treatment paths. Now couple in the deliberate nursing home infections which have been born out in fact and the total death counts look nothing like what we have been told.

I'd like to believe that the lab leak was the result of incompetence. There is ample reason from the history of that lab to draw that conclusion. But it is getting harder not to think that it was deliberate. The only thing that would help me accept it as an accident would be a "patient zero" trace that showed the pattern of how one or two infected lab workers made contact with enough people to promote it world wide. Remember that Italy was reported as one of the hardest hit areas and the Italia-Chinese relationship is not nearly as tight as China's intermingling with other countries.
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Now, I'll just take my tin foil hat and sit in the corner.

I recall talking with some Chinese colleagues in December 2019. They related the situation in Wuhan at that time, and it was already ugly. They sent me PPE and I was among the first wearing N95 masks (never believed the trash about fabric masks... you want a conspiracy? How about that the government put out a knowingly false recommendation to use fabric masks, in order to conserve N95's for medical use when the supply was short at the beginning of the pandemic.. in early 2020). Bodies stacked awaiting cremation. I recall very clearly the similar news from Italy and Brazil when the outbreak took hold there...

COVID killed a ton of people... You can choose whatever conspiracy theory you want to believe, there are plenty of them that have some grounding in facts, but, especially in 2020, it was COVID killing all those people... it was COVID in their lungs, not some bad medical practice.

And from the first moment I heard that the outbreak origin was traced Wuhan and there was a lab there handling similar viruses, I knew it was a leak, not natural evolution from bats of pangolins..