Thanks for posting JohnBoy, I didn't know this was available. I'm happy they didn't try to outright ban as many classrooms as possible, but in my opinion there are still more than enough restrictions to make it difficult for a good number of folks to carry on campus daily. Some of the areas I see as problematic:
Section II(D): Just a statement that LTC holders don't have to self-identify on campus except as required at the request of law enforcement, per current laws. However, I see a potential conflict between this and Section VI(A)(3), which states: "A handgun may be stored only in a
private residential room as defined in this policy, and in a locked container installed or approved by the University." (emphasis is mine) I highly doubt UNT will install approved locked containers into all private residential rooms on campus due to the number and cost involved, so a LTC holder would need to self-identify in order to request a room with such a locking container installed, or to request approval of their own locking container. I can imagine the university would feel the need to retain records of who occupies rooms with approved containers, creating a de facto list of at least some LTC holders on campus. I don't know if there's any way such a list could ever be requested under open records laws, but that makes me nervous.
Section IV(A)(2): Prohibition at places used as a church, synagogue, or other established place of religious worship. I assumed this referred to the non-denominational chapel on campus that is rented by local churches who hold Sunday and Wednesday services on campus for students. However, the chapel is later prohibited by name, so this must be something else. Anyone who knows UNT have any ideas? All I can figure is maybe the Baptist Student Ministry and/or Wesley Foundation that are on the perimeter of campus - I've heard they leased land from UNT, but don't know if that's true.
Section IV(A)(10): I agree with everyone else who questions prohibition in the various clinics. Additionally, Chestnut Hall is not entirely medical/clinic offices - the Student Money Management Center and Career Center are also located in that building, and are unnecessarily prohibited.
Section IV(A)(14): Locations for large scale events. Almost all of the rooms listed in this section are used for multiple purposes, including but not limited to large lecture classroom use, staff meetings, and special events. I don't understand the logic in excluding these locations, and more importantly, I do think their exclusion would make it more difficult to carry on campus. A student or professor could, schedule permitting, lock their gun in their dorm room or car, but I suspect it would be much more difficult for a staff member to get to their car before and after meetings in these locations.
Section IV(B)(2): University graduations. Like the large scale event rooms above, I don't get the logic - I guess they see a bigger crowd as a more dangerous situation? I don't think this should be prohibited.
Section V: "Any individual who without authorization, tampers with, defaces, modifies, or removes a notice provided pursuant to this policy is subject to disciplinary action, including trespass from campus, suspension, termination of employment or a business relationship, and is subject to criminal prosecution." - I would also like to see unauthorized placement of 30.06 signs added to this list. There was some discussion on this forum recently of unauthorized signs being placed in front of businesses, and professors at other institutions have been vocal in their desire to post signs outside their offices or classrooms.
Section VII: The entire section on temporary restrictions disturbs and offends me.
VII(A): I can see no reason to justify a prohibition on carrying for 7 days leading up to an event. This was mentioned in one of the info sessions as a possibility for the Distinguished Lecture Series, which has often brought controversial speakers to campus. Several speakers over the years have received lively student protests, but I never heard of even a threat of violence, much less an actual history of violence. At best, I could see prohibiting carry on the day of an event such as DLS, but not the entire week leading up to it. Does anyone else know of any events on campus with an actual history of violence? I do not.
VII(B): I agree with others that this won't fly with the Legislature because the President can't delegate that authority to the Chief of Police. I may be wrong, but it seems to me that the intent of this section is to allow the university to prohibit carry in a threatened or actual campus shooter situation - exactly when we would most need to be able to carry.
The campus carry task force is accepting anonymous feedback through Feb. 8th - I don't know whether they will seriously consider it, but sending in your thoughts couldn't hurt. http://campuscarry.unt.edu/share-your-thoughts
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