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DO NOT POST DIRECT DPS PHONE NUMBERS!!!

Last post by Charles L. Cotton « Mon May 16, 2016 3:42 pm
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by Charles L. Cotton » Mon May 16, 2016 3:42 pm » in Site Announcements, Questions & Suggestions

Don't even think of posting the direct line phone numbers to the DPS Director or anyone else within DPS. If the number isn't available on the DPS...

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TFC Podcast Episodes

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by Charles L. Cotton » Mon Apr 18, 2016 2:42 pm

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Episode 9 of the Texas Firearms Coalition Podcast has been released. It's will be available shortly on iTunes at: (When it is available on iTunes...

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Episode #24 of the Texas Firearms Coalition Podcasts has been released. It's available on , on and on the . Note: Stitcher has an app for android...
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30.06 Notices & Complaints Filed

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by Charles L. Cotton » Thu Oct 29, 2015 4:34 pm

I have posted a list of SB273 notices and complaints filed, based upon the information that has been submitted on . The link is in the Forms menu...

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TFC Reorganized

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by Charles L. Cotton » Thu Jan 24, 2013 5:59 pm

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The Texas Firearms Coalition's website has been completely revamped to better represent the new format for the TFC. When the TFC was launched in...

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Thanks, Charles! Joining an organization (for free) that helps us be represented is a no-brainer.
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Sun Aug 07, 2016 8:27 pm
New Article: Rape Victims: Defend or Submit?

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by Charles L. Cotton » Fri Feb 27, 2015 1:43 pm

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I have taught my wife and daughter to fight.

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Mon Feb 27, 2017 9:46 pm
Volunteers needed to research gun issues

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by Charles L. Cotton » Tue Nov 08, 2016 11:05 am

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Guys and gals, I need volunteers available to do research on various gun-related issues as well as anti-gun organizations and claims. We have...

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As a college professor and doc, I know a little about research. I have not been here long, but I am a member of PSC for 20 some odd years and a NRA...
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Fri Dec 09, 2016 9:12 pm
An event to draw attention to the value of self-defense handguns

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This topic has a poll. by Charles L. Cotton » Wed Jun 01, 2016 8:52 am

A discussion related to a national day of awareness for handguns, self-defense, "gun free zones" is being discussed in this thread.

I...
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Thu Jun 16, 2016 4:08 pm
Texas Firearms Coalition Podcast Has Launched

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by Charles L. Cotton » Thu Mar 10, 2016 10:05 am

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The Texas Firearms Coalition Podcast has been launched with five episodes. Actually, the episodes have been on for a few weeks now, but I didn't want...

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Episode 8 of the Texas Firearms Coalition Podcast has been released. It's available on iTunes at: …/texas-firearms-coal…/id1091368277

Episode 8 is...
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Mon Apr 11, 2016 10:54 am
Learn From History, or Be Doomed to Repeat It!

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by Charles L. Cotton » Tue Mar 01, 2016 3:08 pm

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Reprinted with permission from TexasFirearmsCoalition.com

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a great read. I also appreciated the written history of Open Carry in Texas.

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Tue Mar 01, 2016 5:19 pm
New Article: Another Law to Benefit Criminals

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by Charles L. Cotton » Tue Mar 03, 2015 10:10 am

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my question is why did someone resurrect a 3 year old thread? and why are we still here going wa wa wawa wa wa wawa(sounding like Charlie browns...
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Sat Feb 27, 2016 6:38 pm
Well Done Texas LEOs!!

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by Charles L. Cotton » Tue Jan 12, 2016 5:19 pm

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[ Reprinted with permission from www.TexasFirearmsCoalition.com]

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Yeah I agree.
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Thu Feb 04, 2016 12:24 pm
Texas Firearms Coalition Podcast

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by Charles L. Cotton » Tue Jan 26, 2016 2:19 pm

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It's been a while since I updated you folks on the new TFC podcast. All of the equipment has been delivered, configured and tested so it's ready to...

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Anything I can do, just let me know.

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Tue Jan 26, 2016 10:55 pm
College Administrators – The Eyes of Texas Are Upon You!

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by Charles L. Cotton » Fri Oct 16, 2015 2:27 pm

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Texans are watching to see if colleges follow the letter and spirit of the new campus-carry law.

Yet another...

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that is ana interesting post by you ... well done
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Wed Dec 30, 2015 1:52 am
New Article: Stop Posting Unenforceable 30.06 Signs

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Attachment(s) by Charles L. Cotton » Mon Mar 02, 2015 9:47 am

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nightmare69,

Thanks for your response.

I recall the old adage: Ignorance of the law is no excuse.

I'm thinking it goes both ways for citizens and...
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Sun Nov 29, 2015 4:22 pm
Texas Peace Officers Need to Reevaluate their ALERRT Training!

Last post by Glockster « Tue Nov 10, 2015 9:42 am
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by Charles L. Cotton » Mon Nov 02, 2015 4:42 pm

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Do not let dangerous training get innocent people killed and officers sued .

One of the best known training programs for responding to an “active...

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:iagree:

I think that your last paragraph makes what is probably the most critical statement of this whole discussion. I believe that way too many...
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Tue Nov 10, 2015 9:42 am
New Article: Another Lying Anti-Secondment Group

Last post by VMI77 « Mon Oct 05, 2015 2:00 pm
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by Charles L. Cotton » Mon Oct 05, 2015 11:53 am

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I posted a new article about Texas Gun Sense's lie about the Oregon shooting. It's on website.

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When your philosophy is based in lies, lies are all you've got. It seems that since, oh, I don't know, around 2008, that the left has moved from...

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Mon Oct 05, 2015 2:00 pm
New Article: “Chicken Little” Predictions & Bogus . . .

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by Charles L. Cotton » Thu Mar 05, 2015 10:07 am

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Bless her ever lying heart. :banghead:

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Sat Aug 29, 2015 10:40 am
A blast from the past

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by Charles L. Cotton » Sat May 09, 2015 10:39 am

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Below is a copy of an article I wrote on April 27, 2008.

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This was about a year before I joined this forum and I hadn't seen it before today. They sure have tried, haven't they. Succeeded in some areas and...

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Sat May 09, 2015 11:14 am
New Article: Holster Requirements for Open-Carry

Last post by Maxwell « Thu Apr 23, 2015 2:21 pm
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by Charles L. Cotton » Wed Feb 18, 2015 3:22 pm

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Get one! You'll never look back! And Leather doesn't wear a hole in your pants like Kydex does.
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Thu Apr 23, 2015 2:21 pm
At a loss... TFC site

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by RetNavy » Sat Apr 04, 2015 10:37 am

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Been trying to read Mr. Cotton latest article on the TFC site... everytime going to it it shows a the latest article from March 5.... even turned...

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That article was from February 9 and can be found here: .

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Mon Apr 06, 2015 9:09 am
Bd. of Regents Should Have No Say in Campus-Carry

Last post by Deltaboy « Sat Feb 28, 2015 11:32 am
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by Charles L. Cotton » Mon Feb 16, 2015 11:26 am

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I agree they should have no say. We had guns on campus back in the 1980's and folks forget it was students at Texas that had their deer rifles in...

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Sat Feb 28, 2015 11:32 am
Through An Officer’s Eyes

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by Charles L. Cotton » Thu Feb 19, 2015 10:52 am

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And therein lies my biggest fear with OC, that my name would become synonymous with Eric Scott. I might be minding my own business, threatening no...
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Sun Feb 22, 2015 8:00 pm
New Article: Senate Moving Quickly on Two Gun Bills

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by Charles L. Cotton » Wed Feb 11, 2015 10:03 am

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All CHL holders will be able to carry on campus if it passes. It does not make the distinction of student, teacher, parent, or guest.
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Mon Feb 16, 2015 9:12 am
Problem Navigating TFC Web Site

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I'm on Firefox and having trouble with navigating the TFC home page.
As you can see in the attached image, the drop down list for the Bill Status...

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Thanks! That fixed it. :tiphat:

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Sat Feb 14, 2015 10:42 am
Global State Preemption Bill – YES!!

Last post by Charles L. Cotton « Fri Feb 13, 2015 10:20 am
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by Charles L. Cotton » Fri Feb 13, 2015 9:55 am

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SB343 is not limited to firearms and, in fact, doesn't even mention firearms. Nevertheless, it's a much needed bill to cure problems like San...

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Not unless the chief LEO bill passes, but then preemption wouldn't be needed. SB343 is more of a defensive measure than an offensive one.

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Fri Feb 13, 2015 10:20 am
New Article: Remove Off-Limits Areas for Everyone

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by Charles L. Cotton » Thu Feb 12, 2015 10:14 am

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Thanks. Maybe I'm trying to turn these article out too fast. :oops:

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Thu Feb 12, 2015 10:50 am
Article: Do You Want to Make a Difference, or Just a Point?

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by Charles L. Cotton » Tue Feb 10, 2015 10:43 am

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Well done! Thank you.

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Tue Feb 10, 2015 10:56 am
New Article: The History of Open-Carry Efforts in Texas

Last post by Charles L. Cotton « Mon Feb 09, 2015 2:04 pm
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by Charles L. Cotton » Mon Feb 09, 2015 10:09 am

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Don't, recognizing reality is necessary if you are to achieve a legislative goal.

I used to slather Rogain on my head, but all I got was a greasy...

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Mon Feb 09, 2015 2:04 pm
New Article: SB124 A Wolf in Sheep's Clothing

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by Charles L. Cotton » Fri Feb 06, 2015 11:11 am

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I published a new article at

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Good article and great reasoning!

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Fri Feb 06, 2015 11:34 am
New Article: SB259 By Ellis: Texas as POC

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Thu Feb 05, 2015 11:08 am
New Article: Let's Victimize the Victim Twice!

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Attachment(s) by Charles L. Cotton » Tue Feb 03, 2015 9:51 am

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I would suspect that you would not find a consensus even among this group as to what is a "reasonable time" to notice a missing gun....
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Wed Feb 04, 2015 2:44 pm
New Article: SB258 by Ellis: Yet Another Gun Show Bill

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by Charles L. Cotton » Wed Feb 04, 2015 11:08 am

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First Ellis said it's okay to lie to voters, now he wants to make criminals out of law-abiding citizens.

Texans can count on Houston Democrat Sen....

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Charles, I will be facebooking this. I hope you don't mind me playing "copy editor", but I found another typo:

Thank you for writing these...

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Wed Feb 04, 2015 12:27 pm
New Article: SB256: Unconstitutional, Unnecessary & . . .

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by Charles L. Cotton » Mon Feb 02, 2015 2:20 pm

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I posted a new article titled SB256 by Rodney Ellis: Unconstitutional, Unnecessary and Burdensome on .

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I'm with you on this. I'm sure he knows this thing doesn't have the chance of a snowball in the Sahara heat. He's just checking off some blocks to...

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Tue Feb 03, 2015 12:29 pm
The Most Important Gun Bill in 2015

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by Charles L. Cotton » Mon Jan 26, 2015 11:16 am

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I posted a new article on and on Facebook. We need to start promoting HB308 to the public.

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I agree withEEllis 100%
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Sun Feb 01, 2015 10:12 am
New Article: Open-Carry Bills Must Preserve 30.06

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by Charles L. Cotton » Fri Jan 30, 2015 9:55 am

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I published a new article Open-Carry Bills Must Preserve 30.06 on . I drafted it before someone sent me a copy of C.J. Grisham's post attacking HB910...

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I think the idea that forcing business owners to have to verbally ask people to leave if armed akin to trying to make property owners verbally tell...

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Sat Jan 31, 2015 5:38 pm
Major Announcement Re: Charles Cotton

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Attachment(s) by Charles L. Cotton » Thu Jan 01, 2015 2:02 pm

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Just moments before posting this, I sent the Jan. 1, 2015 of the Texas Firearms Coalition eNews to all TFC Members. In it I announced the closing of...

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I came back to this thread with the intention that it would be a good time to "bump it" for visibility.

Then I noticed that Charles' had...
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Thu Jan 29, 2015 11:31 pm
Political Myopia: Malady of the Novice

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by Charles L. Cotton » Thu Jan 29, 2015 9:13 am

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A new article Political Myopia: Malady of the Novice has been posted on

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Posted the article to my FB page. I stated that "There is a way to get things done and a way to not get things done. You may not like it, but it...

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Thu Jan 29, 2015 12:44 pm
Campus-Carry: A Matter of Life and Death

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by Charles L. Cotton » Wed Jan 28, 2015 4:04 pm

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Senator Brian Birdwell has filed SB11 that will allow Texas Concealed Handgun Licensees (CHLs) to carry self-defense handguns everywhere on the...

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Wonderful news Charles. Thanks for the update!

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Wed Jan 28, 2015 4:24 pm
HB195: Unlicensed Carrying of a Handgun

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by Charles L. Cotton » Thu Jan 08, 2015 2:45 pm

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A new article on was published dealing with HB195.

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I absolutely understand.
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Thu Jan 22, 2015 10:31 pm
New Article: Lie to Get Elected!!?

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by Charles L. Cotton » Thu Jan 22, 2015 2:14 pm

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I've posted a new article on . It's in the What Were They Thinking!? Section.

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Facebooked it. Thanks Charles.

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Thu Jan 22, 2015 4:17 pm
All Eyes Are On Speaker Straus

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by Charles L. Cotton » Thu Jan 15, 2015 4:53 pm

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I published a new article, All Eyes Are On Speaker Straus on

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I just sent it to Travis Clardy, District 11, who had 2A signs posted all over the place when he ran for office.

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Thu Jan 15, 2015 7:11 pm
Bill Status Reports for 2005-2011

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by Charles L. Cotton » Wed Dec 03, 2014 2:30 pm

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I have added the Bill Status Reports for 2005 through 2011 to the . This should be a little easier to find these reports since they are all under one...

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Excellent info, Charles! I'm fairly new to the firearms scene (owner of only about a year) so it's great to see how things were looking in the past.

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Wed Dec 03, 2014 4:40 pm
New Articles Posted on www.TexasFirearmsCoalition.com

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by Charles L. Cotton » Wed Jul 16, 2014 2:43 pm

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I've posted the following new articles on :

"Any Publicity is Good Publicity” Doesn’t Apply to Legislative Efforts;
Reduce Off-Limits Areas...

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Good articles Charles!

Especially like the fact that you are trying to put some teeth into the parking lot law and expanding it to include...

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Wed Jul 16, 2014 4:17 pm
TFC website and Factbook page updated

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by Charles L. Cotton » Thu Jul 10, 2014 3:00 pm

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Well, it's time to update the and getting ready for the 2015 Texas Legislative Session. I've posted some new articles on the website and copied two...

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I signed up as well. :txflag:

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Thu Jul 10, 2014 6:44 pm
UPDATE: Video Conference:

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by Charles L. Cotton » Mon Nov 18, 2013 3:37 pm

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The first Texas Firearms Coalition/TexasCHLforum video conference will be held on Thursday, Dec. 5th beginning at 7:30pm. I have plans for regular...

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Problem you run into with wifi is still the ISP speed itself. If they don't have the speed on wifi now adding an additional wifi won't help unless it...
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Mon Jan 06, 2014 12:26 am
Questions for 12/5/13 video conference

Last post by Charles L. Cotton « Wed Nov 20, 2013 5:39 pm
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by Charles L. Cotton » Tue Nov 19, 2013 6:24 pm

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If you would like to submit a question or topic for discussion during the Dec. 5th video confernce (7:30pm - 8:30pm), please post it here. If you see...

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I've posted an update on the subject matter of the video conference. I'm locking this thread for now.

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Wed Nov 20, 2013 5:39 pm
Questions & Topics for 12/5/13 video conference on open-carr

Last post by Charles L. Cotton « Tue Nov 19, 2013 6:23 pm
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by Charles L. Cotton » Tue Nov 19, 2013 10:59 am

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If you would like to submit a question or topic for discussion during the Dec. 5th video confernce (7:30pm - 8:30pm), please post it here. If you see...

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I realize this is the first video conference and I probably wasn't clear on what I need. I need specific questions to be addressed, not broad topics....

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Tue Nov 19, 2013 6:23 pm
Test emails sent

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by Charles L. Cotton » Mon Mar 11, 2013 2:27 pm

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I sent two test emails to everyone in the TFC Membership database. The first test generated error messages regarding bad email addresses and I was...

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I got mine in regular mail. Soon as I got home it was there. :thumbs2:
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Fri Jul 19, 2013 1:51 pm
TFC Calls-To-Action

Last post by Wes « Mon Mar 25, 2013 12:09 pm
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by Charles L. Cotton » Mon Mar 18, 2013 2:07 pm

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I've had a couple of people contact me about the calls-to-action that have been emailed. They couldn't open them with iPhones or iPads because it was...

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The new email format in your latest CTA looks great btw and is easily read on all my devices

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Mon Mar 25, 2013 12:09 pm
Email to friends

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by Wodathunkit » Sun Feb 10, 2013 9:35 am

I'm reporting this here from some positive feedback I received from my email. Feel free to use any/ all of it

Friends,

Along with a few anti gun...

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Sun Feb 10, 2013 9:35 am
ProjectOneMillionTexas.org Moved to TFC

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by Charles L. Cotton » Tue Jan 29, 2013 1:40 pm

The website has been moved to . Hopefully, this will give it much greater visibility and will get more people involved in the NRA member recruiting...

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