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parabelum wrote: Wed Apr 07, 2021 11:15 am Fair enough. But I think that Medical Examiner might be more informed and educated on these matters than most of us here.
And, he might be politically motivated or pressured to skew his findings .
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Re: Coverage of the Derek Chauvin Trial in death of George Floyd

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parabelum wrote: Wed Apr 07, 2021 11:15 am
eyedoc wrote: Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:55 am
parabelum wrote: Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:48 am
eyedoc wrote: Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:43 am
philip964 wrote: Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:14 am
crazy2medic wrote: Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:21 am If George Floyd hadn't swallowed a handful of Fentanyl he'd be alive now!
Was the contents of his stomach examined?
A Fentanyl blood level of 11 says it all.
Did you read ME’s report, cause of death, manner of death etc?
Yes. Then I used my education and knowledge along with 30 plus years of MMA training to make my own opinion.
Fair enough. But I think that Medical Examiner might be more informed and educated on these matters than most of us here.
You mean the medical examiner that is heavily influenced by the leftist mob running that state? Oh OK then.

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Re: Coverage of the Derek Chauvin Trial in death of George Floyd

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If you guys think that having a knee pressed on your neck for over 9 minutes is irrelevant/kosher and most of all a humane way to treat a human being, regardless what he might have ingested, after he offered no resistance any more, went completely limp and yet remained in the knee to the neck position for several minutes thereafter, then I have nothing more to offer to your ad nauseum “he took three times the lethal limit of Fentanyl” echo chamber. If you have been around EMS, and looks like I’m not the only one here which perplexes me a bit, then you have in the course of your career seen many folks who have taken above and beyond ld dosages of various substances and have survived! But none of those I’ve encountered who survived had a gestapo press their knee into their neck for over 9 minutes.
As we see from the case witnesses, this scumbag is cooked, as he should be.
And if you think knee to the neck for that long, wedging it in deeper (you can see that officer doing that) ain’t a biggie, want to have it a try for just two minutes? This guy is a murderer who tainted good work that LEOs do.
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Re: Coverage of the Derek Chauvin Trial in death of George Floyd

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parabelum wrote: Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:37 pm If you guys think that having a knee pressed on your neck for over 9 minutes is irrelevant/kosher and most of all a humane way to treat a human being, regardless what he might have ingested, after he offered no resistance any more, went completely limp and yet remained in the knee to the neck position for several minutes thereafter, then I have nothing more to offer to your ad nauseum “he took three times the lethal limit of Fentanyl” echo chamber. If you have been around EMS, and looks like I’m not the only one here which perplexes me a bit, then you have in the course of your career seen many folks who have taken above and beyond ld dosages of various substances and have survived! But none of those I’ve encountered who survived had a gestapo press their knee into their neck for over 9 minutes.
As we see from the case witnesses, this scumbag is cooked, as he should be.
And if you think knee to the neck for that long, wedging it in deeper (you can see that officer doing that) ain’t a biggie, want to have it a try for just two minutes? This guy is a murderer who tainted good work that LEOs do.
How much do you weigh? Chauvin only weighed 140. I will allow someone weighing that to put their knee on me at the same position and angle for 9 minutes. We did a lot worse to each other in MMA.

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Re: Coverage of the Derek Chauvin Trial in death of George Floyd

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The knee to the neck is a popular, harmless, effective restraint that has been used millions of times. Like Michael Brown's raised hands, this whole thing is yet another media-generated hoax.
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With the medical examiner's testimony and the background information on the neck restraint... its clear that Floyd did not die from asphyxiation.

Was Derek Chauvin extraordinarily insensitive? Yes. Honestly I don't think I would care to meet either Floyd or Chauvin in person. But per the ME, Floyd's death was consistent with an OD combined with exerting himself actively resisting arrest and pre-existing medical condition... So Chauvin did not commit murder beyond a reasonable doubt. Looks much more like un-intentional suicide to me.
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parabelum wrote: Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:37 pm If you guys think that having a knee pressed on your neck for over 9 minutes is irrelevant/kosher and most of all a humane way to treat a human being, regardless what he might have ingested, after he offered no resistance any more, went completely limp and yet remained in the knee to the neck position for several minutes thereafter, then I have nothing more to offer to your ad nauseum “he took three times the lethal limit of Fentanyl” echo chamber. If you have been around EMS, and looks like I’m not the only one here which perplexes me a bit, then you have in the course of your career seen many folks who have taken above and beyond ld dosages of various substances and have survived! But none of those I’ve encountered who survived had a gestapo press their knee into their neck for over 9 minutes.
As we see from the case witnesses, this scumbag is cooked, as he should be.
And if you think knee to the neck for that long, wedging it in deeper (you can see that officer doing that) ain’t a biggie, want to have it a try for just two minutes? This guy is a murderer who tainted good work that LEOs do.
I strongly suggest that you read the trail reviews from a non-biased source and not just the major media. Even better, read them from a biased source that is pro-Chauvin to compare to what the media is reporting. I have pointed out that I do not agree with everything Mr. Branca is saying but he is emphasizing the way the cross-examination is destroying the prosecution case and the media is not reporting it. Both the Chief of Police and the MPD use of force expert admitted under cross-examination that the leg was on the shoulder-blades and not on the neck. I had said that earlier. Look at the video again and watch Floyd move his head while being restrained. He clearly does this in the video while Chauvin is on him restraining him. This means that Chauvin was not pressing down on his neck of he would not be able to move his head.

The cross examination of one of the witnesses went so badly for the prosecution that Nelson (Chauvin's defense attorney) agreed to not ask the question he had asked that was objected to. Well, at least not during cross examination. He did announce he will call that witness back as a defense witness so he can ask it the way he wants it brought out.

I have not watched all of the testimony or read all of the transcripts yet. I simply do not have the time to do so. I am basing my opinions on the reviews I have read on Fox News, Mr. Branca's blog, and a few on CNN (as much as I hate them). Overall, it is not going very well for the prosecution at all, I think. I am predicting that everyone involved is expecting (hoping for) a hung jury. That might stall of the riots everyone is expecting. It might also give the prosecution to work a deal with one of the other officers to make it worse for Chauvin. I doubt that this will happen, but I think the prosecution is now stuck with this and is trying to pull a miracle out of their hat.

BTW, probably one of the worst things for the prosecution was when the drug dealer who was with Floyd in the car refused to testify and they refused to grant him immunity. I don't know if the jury is aware of this (I hope not for a fair trials sake and hope so for justice's sake), but it means that the prosecution must be looking at trying the dealer for the murder if something else goes wrong with the Chauvin case. One of the areas I disagree with Mr. Branca on is if this means that Chauvin should be set free. His logic is you cannot have two different suspects for the murder like that. I think you can because you could argue that both contributed to the death in different ways. I am not a lawyer, so I could be missing some legal fine point Mr. Branca is aware of.
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Re: Coverage of the Derek Chauvin Trial in death of George Floyd

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Chauvin Trial Day 8 Wrap-Up: Defense Pummels Prosecution with Their Own Expert Witness
By Attorney Andrew Branca / April 7, 2021


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https://anncoulter.com/2021/04/07/minne ... evidencex/

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LIVE: Chauvin Trial Day 9 – State’s Evidence Begins to Align with the Defense Narrative of Innocence
By Attorney Andrew Branca / April 8, 2021


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eyedoc wrote: Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:03 pm
What will we see? Age restricted it says?

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2 guys kneeling on Steven for 9 plus minutes.

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In line with MEs findings, but hey, it too has got to be purely political, right? For those of you who have watched this testimony, you have probably realized how detailed the testimony was from the physiologist, explaining the science behind it as well as noting the overall posture of the officer and the impact of him placing the almost entire weight of his body on his neck as he lifted his boot completely off the ground.


“ "A healthy person subjected to what Mr. Floyd was subjected to would have died," said prosecution witness Dr. Martin Tobin, a lung and critical care specialist at the Edward Hines Jr. VA Hospital and Loyola University’s medical school in Illinois.

Using easy-to-understand language to explain medical concepts and even loosening his necktie to make a point, Tobin told the jury that Floyd's breathing was severely constricted while Chauvin and two other officers held the 46-year-old Black man down on his stomach last May with his hands cuffed behind him and his face jammed against the ground.

The lack of oxygen resulted in brain damage and caused his heart to stop, the witness said.”

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