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I have to say I am not impressed with the prosecution so far. I am very impressed with some of the side comments Mr. Branca put in his blog on the first three witnesses. He is quite obviously not a fan of Court TV.
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i was wondering why cspan is broadcasting it. they are chartered for congress and senate not a jury trial..
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oljames3 wrote: Tue Mar 30, 2021 4:28 pm Chauvin Trial Day 1: Opening Arguments & Three State Witnesses

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Chauvin Trial Day 2 Wrap-Up: State Focused on Feelings, Judge Scolds Firefighter

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Chauvin Trial Day 3 Wrap-Up: Floyd Was “High” with Foam Around His Mouth

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Chauvin Trial Day 4 Wrap-Up: Another Poor Day for Prosecution, Advantage: Defense

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I am willing to bet my house that this officer that kept his knee on this guys neck is regretting that decision everyday.

I can’t imagine putting my knee on somebody’s neck for that long. Others may find it ok but not me as a humane person.

He will be found guilty.

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A good follow up to the excessive force questions would have been, "Have you ever know of an officer who failed to use sufficient force and was injured or killed as a result of that decision?"

I'm not claiming Chauvin is a great guy, but he was not in a great situation either, and that isn't supposed to be the purpose of this trial. Stick to the charge, and stick to the facts.

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Killadocg23 wrote: Fri Apr 02, 2021 8:04 am I am willing to bet my house that this officer that kept his knee on this guys neck is regretting that decision everyday.

I can’t imagine putting my knee on somebody’s neck for that long. Others may find it ok but not me as a humane person.

He will be found guilty.
I think he'll likely be found guilty simply because the jury isn't really unbiased. There is essentially no one with any intelligence at all who does not at least have some opinion about what happened here. I also agree that Chauvin probably regrets that day.
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Chauvin Trial Analysis: Opioid Tolerance Issues
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Chauvin Trial Day 5 Wrap-Up: Poorly Informed Witnesses Provide State with Poorly Informed Opinions
By Attorney Andrew Branca / April 2, 2021


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Killadocg23 wrote: Fri Apr 02, 2021 8:04 am I am willing to bet my house that this officer that kept his knee on this guys neck is regretting that decision everyday.

I can’t imagine putting my knee on somebody’s neck for that long. Others may find it ok but not me as a humane person.

He will be found guilty.
You do realize that these three lines are all totally unrelated, don't you? Chauvin is probably regretting his decisions to ever become a cop, to go to work that morning, to volunteer for that call, and how he reacted tot he call. Not because he thinks he did anything wrong necessarily, just because of the storm that has blown up around it.

I personally might have no problem with putting my knee on someone's neck for that long, or even longer. I also might have no problem putting much more pressure on his neck than Chauvin did. It all depends on the situation occurring at the time and the desired outcome. You opinion may be different. Our opinion's matter not at all to whether Chauvin was right or wrong (either legally or morally). The only people whose opinion's matter are Chauvin's and the 12 (ok, maybe 15 if you include the alternates) people on the jury. They get to decide this, not us. They also get to see all of the evidence presented, not just some of it or summaries of it.

The summaries I have been reading say that the prosecution is failing miserably at the job of proving Chauvin guilty. However, it did not take me long to realize Mr. Branca, who was writing the summaries, had also already made up his mind and his bias in the judgment was showing. However, assuming Mr. Branca is correct, Chauvin's guilt or innocence is really not a part of the actual occassion, much as we all like to pretend it is. The jury was built and the preliminary decision made for the jury to return a guilty verdict regardless of what is originally reported or found. I bet they come back with a guilty verdict JUST because they are afraid of the riots that will occurr if they don't (an one of them will admit to it),
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srothstein wrote: Fri Apr 02, 2021 9:32 pm
Killadocg23 wrote: Fri Apr 02, 2021 8:04 am I am willing to bet my house that this officer that kept his knee on this guys neck is regretting that decision everyday.

I can’t imagine putting my knee on somebody’s neck for that long. Others may find it ok but not me as a humane person.

He will be found guilty.
You do realize that these three lines are all totally unrelated, don't you? Chauvin is probably regretting his decisions to ever become a cop, to go to work that morning, to volunteer for that call, and how he reacted tot he call. Not because he thinks he did anything wrong necessarily, just because of the storm that has blown up around it.

I personally might have no problem with putting my knee on someone's neck for that long, or even longer. I also might have no problem putting much more pressure on his neck than Chauvin did. It all depends on the situation occurring at the time and the desired outcome. You opinion may be different. Our opinion's matter not at all to whether Chauvin was right or wrong (either legally or morally). The only people whose opinion's matter are Chauvin's and the 12 (ok, maybe 15 if you include the alternates) people on the jury. They get to decide this, not us. They also get to see all of the evidence presented, not just some of it or summaries of it.

The summaries I have been reading say that the prosecution is failing miserably at the job of proving Chauvin guilty. However, it did not take me long to realize Mr. Branca, who was writing the summaries, had also already made up his mind and his bias in the judgment was showing. However, assuming Mr. Branca is correct, Chauvin's guilt or innocence is really not a part of the actual occassion, much as we all like to pretend it is. The jury was built and the preliminary decision made for the jury to return a guilty verdict regardless of what is originally reported or found. I bet they come back with a guilty verdict JUST because they are afraid of the riots that will occurr if they don't (an one of them will admit to it),

Well good for you ,good for you. I hope you aren’t a cop or else you’ll probably end on on trial like this dude. If some one tells you they can’t breathe and you sit on their neck for almost 9 minutes you are in humane in my OPINION.

Good for you if you would like to put more pressure on that guys neck than Chauvin. I commend you for your patriotism.

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Killadocg23 wrote: Sat Apr 03, 2021 12:34 am
srothstein wrote: Fri Apr 02, 2021 9:32 pm
Killadocg23 wrote: Fri Apr 02, 2021 8:04 am I am willing to bet my house that this officer that kept his knee on this guys neck is regretting that decision everyday.

I can’t imagine putting my knee on somebody’s neck for that long. Others may find it ok but not me as a humane person.

He will be found guilty.
You do realize that these three lines are all totally unrelated, don't you? Chauvin is probably regretting his decisions to ever become a cop, to go to work that morning, to volunteer for that call, and how he reacted to the call. Not because he thinks he did anything wrong necessarily, just because of the storm that has blown up around it.

I personally might have no problem with putting my knee on someone's neck for that long, or even longer. I also might have no problem putting much more pressure on his neck than Chauvin did. It all depends on the situation occurring at the time and the desired outcome. You opinion may be different. Our opinion's matter not at all to whether Chauvin was right or wrong (either legally or morally). The only people whose opinion's matter are Chauvin's and the 12 (ok, maybe 15 if you include the alternates) people on the jury. They get to decide this, not us. They also get to see all of the evidence presented, not just some of it or summaries of it.

The summaries I have been reading say that the prosecution is failing miserably at the job of proving Chauvin guilty. However, it did not take me long to realize Mr. Branca, who was writing the summaries, had also already made up his mind and his bias in the judgment was showing. However, assuming Mr. Branca is correct, Chauvin's guilt or innocence is really not a part of the actual occasion, much as we all like to pretend it is. The jury was built and the preliminary decision made for the jury to return a guilty verdict regardless of what is originally reported or found. I bet they come back with a guilty verdict JUST because they are afraid of the riots that will occur if they don't (an one of them will admit to it),

Well good for you ,good for you. I hope you aren’t a cop or else you’ll probably end on on trial like this dude. If some one tells you they can’t breathe and you sit on their neck for almost 9 minutes you are in humane in my OPINION.

Good for you if you would like to put more pressure on that guys neck than Chauvin. I commend you for your patriotism.
You have obviously missed the point of my post. I was pointing out that the three lines you posted are totally unrelated, either to law or, for the first and third, to reality. We do not know if the force was justified or not yet because we do not yet have all of the facts in the case. Most of them will come out int he trial. A few have come out but have been glossed over by the mass media because it counters the point of view they had already put forth.

For example, you are ignoring any of the circumstances that lead up to the incident, including Floyd's prior behavior. You are ignoring the fact that there was not significant pressure applied to Floyd's neck, as shown by the lack of any bruising found in the autopsy AND by the fact that he is still moving his head around in the video. You are ignoring the fact that Floyd started yelling about breathing while he was walking to the police car. You are ignoring the fact that a person cannot yell while he is not in fact breathing. The airway being blocked would stop him from getting air in to yell. This is why you do not apply the Heimlich maneuver to a person who is coughing - if he can get air in to cough his airway is only partially blocked not fully. You have ignored the fact that Chauvin was taught to apply first aid for a person he believed to be in a condition of excited delirium from drug overdose by completely immobilizing him until EMS arrives (I am not sayign this is good or bad, just that this is the way Chauvin was trained.

But you are entitled to an opinion and yours has been stated. That makes your second line at least tied to reality. It does not mean anyone has to give any weight to your opinion, especially if it is ill informed or not informed by all of the facts.

And I am a retired police officer. I have had a prisoner die in conditions similar to Chauvin. It took five officers to get him subdued enough for transport. I was fortunate enough that it was a white male and therefore did not make the news. Perhaps that makes me more compassionate towards Chauvin and perhaps it doesn't. But the training as a police officer to not rush to judgement until I have all the facts does make me ay your opinion is poorly made.

And yes, despite your sarcasm, I do think of myself as a patriot. I love this country and hope it survives with our freedoms intact for another 200 years.
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