ME: breaking mass shooting in Maine, 18 dead, multiple locations

[philip964]

[philip964]

[philip964]

https://6abc.com/lewiston-maine-shootin ... /13972650/

Bowling alley

[03Lightningrocks]

Holy Crap!!! Just what we needed! Get ready for the anti gun crowd to fire up the propaganda machines. Now they are upping the count to 22 dead. Several wounded.

[philip964]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... Maine.html

22 dead up to 50 wounded. AR style rifle.

[C-dub]

Supposedly a firearms instructor of some kind.

[philip964]

“The Lewiston Police Department has identified Robert Card as a person of interest in the two shootings in Lewiston.

Card is 40 years old and should be “considered armed and dangerous,” according a Facebook post from the Lewiston Police Department.

Law enforcement officials in Maine describe Card as a certified firearms instructor and a member of the US Army Reserves.”

Horrible.

“. The document says Card had been committed to a mental health facility for two weeks in the summer of 2023. It did not provide specific details about his treatment or condition.”

Just horrible.

[C-dub]

I have a bad feeling about this. He didn’t try to hide his face at all. I wonder if he has already killed himself and they just haven’t found him yet. Hopefully he isn’t still hiding somewhere waiting to hurt more people.

[2farnorth]

They have found his car near a boat ramp. I suspect he is across the river to another vehicle or hightailing into the woods. Sounds like this was advanced planned.
Having lived in Maine for many years I know that not many people carried firearms in their daily lives (then). The bowling alley probably served alcohol so may be carry prohibited and of course the "bar" was also. BACK THEN concealed carry permits were issued by the local police chief and I found that they tended to sit on them hoping you would' forget. After 3 months they became "shall issue" unless the chief could provide a valid reason to deny. Since then Maine has became an open/permitless carry state. This shooting will more than double Main's annual murder rate.
The people are generally practical, gentle, and well mannered. I know the influx into Maine from Massachusetts and Connecticut has brought a lot of "Boston" politics/voting to the area. That can never be good.

[Grayling813]

Anyone else notice that the pictures from surveillance video look different than the flyer picture? Video pic face looks thinner, hair thicker.

[philip964]

Yeah I agree. Wish my hair was that thick when I was 50.

Friend thinks it was all an FBI encouraged thing. Finds the ability for the press to quickly get all the facts and interviews out amazing. Do we know anything about the Maui fire yet. Total death toll? Number of children?

I’m not going that far, but timing seems odd.

Supposedly escaped on Jet Ski. Heard voices at the two locations he shot at. People saying bad things about him in his head.

Shame no one put two and two together or connected the dots.

RIP innocent victims.

[powerboatr]

we may never really know all the details, unless a formal request for documents occurs and we see the guts of the case.

but if a person makes a threat to kill guardsman or any other people and the court orders a 2 week mental health stay....wouldn't it still be a crime to convey the threat to kill people, despite the 2 week stay in a mental place? and wouldn't the law enforcement maybe follow up, as he still committed a crime, or did court drop charges once the mental health stay was completed ?
and wouldn't the court also order surrender of any firearms until completion of treatment? maybe they did, maybe they did not?
and it was reported he was still seeing a shrink prior to last night

even if we protect his rights as with everyone should have those protected. we need to know what the court ordered when he went into mental hospital eval for 2 weeks. and if any orders required surrender of firearms knowing his experience and or training and the fact he is an instructor and might be a FFL or was a FFL as news reported, ??? news said he was an ffl, now he is not and just a fuel guy in guard but nothing on instructor.

if so all this might have been prevented, or at least really slowed down his access to firearms??

so then the conspiracy people could say... its a black flag distraction of another mentally diminished person set on a bout of rage or murder by a shrink (aka cia, fbi?) to move an agenda.
NO i am not saying this is what happened, but it does make for a good horror story
we still dont know the truth about las vegas shooting??

[Rafe]

Current reporting from Fox News shows count at 18, at least 13 injured.

https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/lewis ... october-26 Information at link updated as new reports come in.

As of 20 minutes ago, it's reported that at 80 FBI agents are involved in the manhunt, plus others from the ATF, DEA, DHS, and the Coast Guard. Maine State Police issued a shelter in place order for Androscoggin County and Northern Sagadahoc County.

Indications are that Card planned the attacks well in advance, and had several hidings spots and egress points preselected.

And of course anti-gun Biden got into middle of it with his political agenda today even before the ink dried on the news reports:

In a written statement released by the White House, Biden urged Republican lawmakers to "fulfill their duty to protect the American people" from gun violence.

"Work with us to pass a bill banning assault weapons and high-capacity magazines, to enact universal background checks, to require safe storage of guns, and end immunity from liability for gun manufacturers," Biden said.

"This is the very least we owe every American who will now bear the scars — physical and mental — of this latest attack," the statement continued.

Anecdotal reports say that people I Maine familiar with Card knew to stay away from him and his family. Evidently he was well-known as a loose cannon. Also:

Robert Card, 40...is a "trained firearms instructor" and recently reported mental health issues, including "hearing voices and threats to shoot up the National Guard Base in Saco, ME," according to a Maine law enforcement bulletin shared with Fox News Digital.

Card is also a Petroleum Supply Specialist in the Army Reserve [Sgt. 1st Class], having enlisted in December 2002, an Army spokesperson told Fox News, adding that Card has had no combat deployments.

A U.S. official told the Associated Press Thursday that police in New York took Maine shooting suspect Robert Card to a hospital in July to receive a medical evaluation after military officials grew concerned about his erratic behavior.

The official said commanders in the Army Reserve’s 3rd Battalion, 304th Infantry Regiment became worried in mid-July that Robert Card was acting erratically while the unit was training at the U.S. Military Academy at West Point in New York.

The official said military commanders became concerned about Card’s safety and asked for the police to be called. New York state police took Card to the Keller Army Community Hospital at West Point for evaluation, the official said.

The guy is looney tunes. I mean, hearing voices telling him to shoot up a National Guard Base? New York police were called by the military last July to take the guy to a hospital for mental evaluation, where he evidently stayed for up to 2 weeks?

This being the worst mass shooting since Uvalde, and again with an AR, Card is a ready-made foil for screams from the left and a heightened press for new "gun control." This is not going to go well.

[carlson1]

It has been my experience as a Pastor going and visiting in these institutions (mainly Parkland and Terrel) that they do not do a whole lot. I have witnessed more than a dozen times people going in (sometimes on POW) they are given the same drugs that took on the street. Then turned loose with the same drugs they were on. Put a gun in the mix and it is a mess.

[chasfm11]

It has been my experience as a Pastor going and visiting in these institutions (mainly Parkland and Terrel) that they do not do a whole lot. I have witnessed more than a dozen times people going in (sometimes on POW) they are given the same drugs that took on the street. Then turned loose with the same drugs they were on. Put a gun in the mix and it is a mess.

I have more experience than I ever wanted with someone that I know who has been in care of both in patient and out patient mental health facilities. I can only call what happens in too many cases that I saw gross incompetence. In fairness, treating mentally ill people is more art than science. Big Pharma has compounded the problem with things like SSRIs. In reality, treatment is dependent on the patient telling the truth to the professionals trying to help them and the patients are often intelligent and manipulative. The Federal government is restricting some key medications because they are additive but is it better to have someone addicted to something that helps them or going untreated? Perhaps the biggest problem with mental health treatment is the stigma attached to it. People are rarely judged for breaking a leg but someone with severe depression or bi-polar disorder needs to be careful with who that information is shared. The public believes that those with mental problems can just think their way out of their issues - and they cannot. The mentally ill have been shunned by society and that isn't changing any time soon. Then, when an incident like this occurs, all that is left is hand ringing - and blaming the guns.