Mass Shooting in Connecticut-THREAD NAME CHANGE

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Re: Mass Shooting in Connecticut-THREAD NAME CHANGE

Postby Oldgringo » Wed Dec 19, 2012 3:06 pm

TexasGal wrote:Here is a poll asking if teachers should be allowed to carry. It is currently going against:

http://educationblog.dallasnews.com/2012/12/should-texas-teachers-and-administrators-be-allowed-to-carry-concealed-handguns.html/


My vote just put the 'yeas' ahead.

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Postby anygunanywhere » Wed Dec 19, 2012 3:18 pm

TexasGal wrote:Here is a poll asking if teachers should be allowed to carry. It is currently going against:

http://educationblog.dallasnews.com/2012/12/should-texas-teachers-and-administrators-be-allowed-to-carry-concealed-handguns.html/


Not anymore. Fors are slightly ahead.

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Re: Mass Shooting in Connecticut-THREAD NAME CHANGE

Postby Dave2 » Wed Dec 19, 2012 3:27 pm

TexasGal wrote:Here is a poll asking if teachers should be allowed to carry. It is currently going against:

http://educationblog.dallasnews.com/2012/12/should-texas-teachers-and-administrators-be-allowed-to-carry-concealed-handguns.html/

Voted correctly...

Anyway, one of the commenters there suggested reinforced classroom doors. That seems worth investigating to me.
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Re: Mass Shooting in Connecticut-THREAD NAME CHANGE

Postby Thomas » Wed Dec 19, 2012 6:00 pm

Yes 56.27% (386 votes)
No 39.8% (273 votes)
Undecided 4% (27 votes)

Total Votes: 686

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Postby jmra » Thu Dec 20, 2012 2:14 am

Yes 59.79% (510 votes)


No 36.58% (312 votes)


Undecided 3.63% (31 votes)
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Postby TexasGal » Thu Dec 20, 2012 4:56 am

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Postby CheckonChico » Thu Dec 20, 2012 12:14 pm

Have you guys seen this??

http://shortlittlerebel.wordpress.com/2 ... -shooting/

There's some very good points and real evidence that is being ignored, What are your thoughts?

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Re: Mass Shooting in Connecticut-THREAD NAME CHANGE

Postby Keith B » Thu Dec 20, 2012 12:32 pm

CheckonChico wrote:Have you guys seen this??

http://shortlittlerebel.wordpress.com/2 ... -shooting/

There's some very good points and real evidence that is being ignored, What are your thoughts?

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Stupid conspiracy theorist. Worthless read IMO. Things change constantly during these types of events. Second shooters are often reported, then they have an alibi or are found to be not related or even non-existent. As for no one else seeing this guy, those that saw him were shot and killed. Most of the rest were secured as best possible in their rooms, closets or bathrooms and never saw him. Remember, these are elementary school children who were more than likely scared out of their wits, along with their teachers.

Bottom line, the conspiracy theorists who harp their crap, especially that this would be a planned attack by the government, especially on a elementary school, are nothing but nuts and only harm the views of those who are on the fence.
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Re: Mass Shooting in Connecticut-THREAD NAME CHANGE

Postby SunKing » Thu Dec 20, 2012 12:44 pm

Anyone who suggests the Government did this to advance gun control is almost as crazy as the shooter. I lump these type of folks into the same group as those who think the government was responsible for 9/11. I'm not a big supporter of our government right now - but I'm not crazy either.
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Re: Mass Shooting in Connecticut-THREAD NAME CHANGE

Postby SunKing » Thu Dec 20, 2012 12:53 pm

Just a quick follow up - perhaps I'm just a bit crazy afterall. Why? Well, because I do find it odd that there hasn't been any motive, note, or manifesto found. Usually, these crazy mass killers want their 15 minutes of fame, and want to publicize their cause or grievance.

So this is just me speculating....what if the mom was pro 2A, and preached to her son some of the same values that we hold dear - but maybe he did not agree. What if he didn't like going to the range with mom. In his sick twisted mind, perhaps he thought "I can show everyone how dangerous these guns really are"... and what if he left a long note on his PC expressing his support of gun control. ...and yet - it's been reported his PC was damadged/destroyed - including the hard drive. What if 'someone' decided they didn't want that message getting out - that the crazy killer did this to advance gun control?

OK - I'm crazy.... but I do really find it odd that there hasn't been some type of 'look at me - here's why I did this' note found.
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Postby v-rog » Thu Dec 20, 2012 12:59 pm

Thank you for voting!
Yes 62.41% (586 votes)

No 34.19% (321 votes)

Undecided 3% (32 votes)


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Postby Dave2 » Thu Dec 20, 2012 1:34 pm

SunKing wrote:Just a quick follow up - perhaps I'm just a bit crazy afterall. Why? Well, because I do find it odd that there hasn't been any motive, note, or manifesto found. Usually, these crazy mass killers want their 15 minutes of fame, and want to publicize their cause or grievance.

So this is just me speculating....what if the mom was pro 2A, and preached to her son some of the same values that we hold dear - but maybe he did not agree. What if he didn't like going to the range with mom. In his sick twisted mind, perhaps he thought "I can show everyone how dangerous these guns really are"... and what if he left a long note on his PC expressing his support of gun control. ...and yet - it's been reported his PC was damadged/destroyed - including the hard drive. What if 'someone' decided they didn't want that message getting out - that the crazy killer did this to advance gun control?

OK - I'm crazy.... but I do really find it odd that there hasn't been some type of 'look at me - here's why I did this' note found.

They already have a possible motive... He was upset about being committed and thought his mom loved those kids more than him.
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Re: Mass Shooting in Connecticut-THREAD NAME CHANGE

Postby VMI77 » Thu Dec 20, 2012 4:49 pm

SunKing wrote:Anyone who suggests the Government did this to advance gun control is almost as crazy as the shooter. I lump these type of folks into the same group as those who think the government was responsible for 9/11. I'm not a big supporter of our government right now - but I'm not crazy either.


What I think is still crazier is dismissing the notion out of hand with the Jarret/Obama/Holder regime in power. As I see it there are two decisions you have to make before doing that: 1) are Obama and some of those in his administration, like Holder, morally capable of such an act?; and 2) does the evidence support a conclusion that the rampage was a government plot? I personally don't believe there is any doubt that the answer to #1 is a big YES; and given that this administration is morally capable, you have to closely examine the evidence, because everyone needs to keep a close eye on this bunch of criminals. So, is there evidence to support a conclusion of government responsibility? Yes and No.

Yes, in the sense that the government is partially responsible because the government made it illegal for adults present in the school to defend themselves against maniacal murderers (and because of laws relating to mental health that prevent dealing with mentally disturbed individuals) and failed to properly secure the school. No, in so far as evidence that the rampage was an actual plot carried out by the government.
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Postby mojo84 » Thu Dec 20, 2012 11:52 pm

SunKing wrote:Anyone who suggests the Government did this to advance gun control is almost as crazy as the shooter. I lump these type of folks into the same group as those who think the government was responsible for 9/11. I'm not a big supporter of our government right now - but I'm not crazy either.


Call me crazy but I would have never thought our government would sell guns to the Mexican drug cartels.

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Message from President Obama

Postby MikeInTX » Fri Dec 21, 2012 9:16 am

I received this reply this morning in response to signing a petition. Sounds like what everybody already knew here, he wants "banning the sale of military-style assault weapons," "banning the sale of high-capacity ammunition clips," .


A Message from President Obama about Your Petition on Reducing Gun Violence

By Bruce Reed, Chief of Staff to Vice President Biden

In the days since the tragedy in Newtown, Americans from all over the country have called for action to deter mass shootings and reduce gun violence. Hundreds of thousands of you have signed petitions on We the People.

I'm writing you today to thank you for speaking up, to update you on an important development, and to encourage you to continue engaging with the White House on this critical issue.

First, you should know that President Obama is paying close to attention to the public response to this tragedy. In fact, he sat down to record a message specifically for those of you who have joined the conversation using We the People. Watch it now:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/share-your-th ... ign=safety

On Wednesday, the President outlined a series of first steps we can take to begin the work of ending this cycle of violence. This is what he said:

"We know this is a complex issue that stirs deeply held passions and political divides. And as I said on Sunday night, there's no law or set of laws that can prevent every senseless act of violence in our society. We're going to need to work on making access to mental health care at least as easy as access to a gun. We're going to need to look more closely at a culture that all too often glorifies guns and violence. And any actions we must take must begin inside the home and inside our hearts.

But the fact that this problem is complex can no longer be an excuse for doing nothing. The fact that we can't prevent every act of violence doesn't mean we can't steadily reduce the violence, and prevent the very worst violence."

Vice President Biden has been asked to work with members of the Administration, Congress, and the general public to come up with a set of concrete policy proposals by next month -- proposals the President intends to push swiftly. The President asked the Vice President to lead this effort in part because he wrote and passed the 1994 Crime Bill that helped law enforcement bring down the rate of violent crime in America. That bill included the assault weapons ban, which expired in 2004.

As the Vice President's Chief of Staff, I'm going to do everything I can to ensure we run a process that includes perspectives from all sides of the issue, which is why I wanted to respond to your petition myself. Two decades ago, as domestic policy adviser in the Clinton White House, I first worked with Joe Biden as he fought to enact the Crime Bill, the assault weapons ban, and the Brady Bill. I will never forget what a key role the voices of concerned citizens like you played in that vital process.

The President called on Congress to pass important legislation "banning the sale of military-style assault weapons," "banning the sale of high-capacity ammunition clips," and "requiring background checks before all gun purchases, so that criminals can’t take advantage of legal loopholes to buy a gun from somebody who won’t take the responsibility of doing a background check at all."

An issue this serious and complex isn't going to be resolved with a single legislative proposal or policy prescription. And let's be clear, any action we take will respect the Second Amendment. As the President said:


"Look, like the majority of Americans, I believe that the Second Amendment guarantees an individual right to bear arms. This country has a strong tradition of gun ownership that's been handed down from generation to generation. Obviously across the country there are regional differences. There are differences between how people feel in urban areas and rural areas. And the fact is the vast majority of gun owners in America are responsible -- they buy their guns legally and they use them safely, whether for hunting or sport shooting, collection or protection.

But you know what, I am also betting that the majority -- the vast majority -- of responsible, law-abiding gun owners would be some of the first to say that we should be able to keep an irresponsible, law-breaking few from buying a weapon of war. I'm willing to bet that they don't think that using a gun and using common sense are incompatible ideas -- that an unbalanced man shouldn't be able to get his hands on a military-style assault rifle so easily; that in this age of technology, we should be able to check someone's criminal records before he or she can check out at a gun show; that if we work harder to keep guns out of the hands of dangerous people, there would be fewer atrocities like the one in Newtown -- or any of the lesser-known tragedies that visit small towns and big cities all across America every day."

The President said it best: "Ultimately if this effort is to succeed it's going to require the help of the American people -- it's going to require all of you. If we're going to change things, it's going to take a wave of Americans -- mothers and fathers, daughters and sons, pastors, law enforcement, mental health professionals -- and, yes, gun owners -- standing up and saying 'enough' on behalf of our kids."

So let's continue this conversation and get something meaningful done. If you have additional ideas and are interested in further engagement with the White House on this issue, please let us know and share your thoughts here:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/share-your-th ... n-violence

Thank you for speaking out and staying involved.
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