Woman Beheaded in Oklahoma

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Woman Beheaded in Oklahoma

Postby anygunanywhere » Fri Sep 26, 2014 10:41 am

Disgruntled fired employee returns, stabs, beheads woman. Attacks second woman and is shot by reserve deputy who works there.

FBI asked to investigate suspect's background.

https://news.yahoo.com/police-woman-beheaded-oklahoma-workplace-144459291.html

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The FBI is now looking into Nolen’s background after his former co-workers said he tried to convert them to Islam after recently converting himself.


http://kfor.com/2014/09/25/reports-police-respond-to-possible-shooting-near-moore-grocery-store/

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Re: Woman Beheaded in Oklahoma

Postby RoyGBiv » Fri Sep 26, 2014 10:50 am

And so it begins....
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Re: Woman Beheaded in Oklahoma

Postby The Annoyed Man » Fri Sep 26, 2014 12:22 pm

RoyGBiv wrote:And so it begins....

Yep....

....and the sad part is this: how hard is it going to get for Muslims in this country who ARE good citizens? We have at least a couple of Muslim members of this board I can think of, who are solid citizens who love this country. Possibly they are not the only ones. As more and more of this stuff happens, life is going to get difficult for them. I have strong religious disagreements with Islam, but that doesn't mean that I want harm to befall solid citizens who are Muslims. They have as much right to practice their religion here as I have to practice mine. If they are solid, productive citizens, we need to ALSO be vigilant about protecting their rights while at the same time being vigilant about stopping this stuff from happening.

I'm not trying to be PC here. I remember when that guy was running around the southeastern states sniping at abortionists and had killed at least one. He claimed to be a Christian. I think he was crazy, but insanity does not bar one from being a believer. The nation's "progressives" (read that as "fascists") had a field day pounding on "murderous Christians" for that one. I'd hate to see that happen here, directed against people whose religion we may not agree with, but who are good citizens of this country.
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Re: Woman Beheaded in Oklahoma

Postby Pawpaw » Fri Sep 26, 2014 2:14 pm

:iagree: TAM, the only thing I would change in your post would be to delete the word "possibly".

I work with several Muslims and every one of them are among the kindest & gentlest people I know. Unfortunately, they're not the ones getting the press lately.
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Re: Woman Beheaded in Oklahoma

Postby Pilgrim » Fri Sep 26, 2014 2:15 pm

Michele Bachmann stated today at the Value Voters Summit that Obama was wrong when he said ISIS was not about Islam but about terrorist extremist, she said it was about Islam. Her state apparently has a lot of Islams and synagogues. I think America is in big trouble as long as we are politically correct when it comes to Islam. I was raised to respect others religions and that may well be USA Achilles heel.

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Re: Woman Beheaded in Oklahoma

Postby Pawpaw » Fri Sep 26, 2014 2:18 pm

Pilgrim wrote:Michele Bachmann stated today at the Value Voters Summit that Obama was wrong when he said ISIS was not about Islam but about terrorist extremist, she said it was about Islam. Her state apparently has a lot of Islams and synagogues. I think America is in big trouble as long as we are politically correct when it comes to Islam. I was raised to respect others religions and that may well be USA Achilles heel.


Then so be it. I will not abandon my morals or principles for convenience, no matter how dear the price. Fight evil, not ideals.

ETA: I was not insinuating that you had a different view.
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Re: Woman Beheaded in Oklahoma

Postby cb1000rider » Fri Sep 26, 2014 3:46 pm

The Annoyed Man wrote:I'm not trying to be PC here. I remember when that guy was running around the southeastern states sniping at abortionists and had killed at least one. He claimed to be a Christian. I think he was crazy, but insanity does not bar one from being a believer. The nation's "progressives" (read that as "fascists") had a field day pounding on "murderous Christians" for that one. I'd hate to see that happen here, directed against people whose religion we may not agree with, but who are good citizens of this country.


I agree with you. ISIS is a terror movement that hides behind the skirts of a religion for justification. It's just like the sniper you mention and the kings that invaded other countries so they could carry out "religious conversions" under the banner of Christianity..

It's unfortunate that it's staining people in this country because some of us can't see between the smoke and mirrors.

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Re: Woman Beheaded in Oklahoma

Postby Beiruty » Fri Sep 26, 2014 8:23 pm

The Annoyed Man wrote:
RoyGBiv wrote:And so it begins....

Yep....

....and the sad part is this: how hard is it going to get for Muslims in this country who ARE good citizens? We have at least a couple of Muslim members of this board I can think of, who are solid citizens who love this country. Possibly they are not the only ones. As more and more of this stuff happens, life is going to get difficult for them. I have strong religious disagreements with Islam, but that doesn't mean that I want harm to befall solid citizens who are Muslims. They have as much right to practice their religion here as I have to practice mine. If they are solid, productive citizens, we need to ALSO be vigilant about protecting their rights while at the same time being vigilant about stopping this stuff from happening.

I'm not trying to be PC here. I remember when that guy was running around the southeastern states sniping at abortionists and had killed at least one. He claimed to be a Christian. I think he was crazy, but insanity does not bar one from being a believer. The nation's "progressives" (read that as "fascists") had a field day pounding on "murderous Christians" for that one. I'd hate to see that happen here, directed against people whose religion we may not agree with, but who are good citizens of this country.


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Re: Woman Beheaded in Oklahoma

Postby IlliniBill » Fri Sep 26, 2014 8:49 pm

Pilgrim wrote:Michele Bachmann stated today at the Value Voters Summit that Obama was wrong when he said ISIS was not about Islam but about terrorist extremist, she said it was about Islam. Her state apparently has a lot of Islams and synagogues. I think America is in big trouble as long as we are politically correct when it comes to Islam. I was raised to respect others religions and that may well be USA Achilles heel.

Agree 100%. Islam is the problem. Always has been.


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Re: Woman Beheaded in Oklahoma

Postby CHLLady » Fri Sep 26, 2014 9:13 pm

Lone wolf maniacs. This is not the first and will not be the last.

I don't hate all Muslims or people who believe in Islam. I'd like to think I'd give the individual a break and get to know them for their own sake. What I have a hard time with is NOT seeing the moral outrage on a mass scale against this kind of barbarism under the name of their sacred religion. Where are the protests against this ultimate abuse of their religion?
It's like their silence condones it. This I find hard to forgive, if I am to be completely honest. I'm angry...
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Re: Woman Beheaded in Oklahoma

Postby Keith B » Fri Sep 26, 2014 9:19 pm

OK, drop the discussion of religion. This has not been proven to be anything other than an act of a disgruntled employee who had been fired, and we will not bring the pointing of fingers at religion into this, whether the media does or not. Stop or the topic till be locked.
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Re: Woman Beheaded in Oklahoma

Postby rbwhatever1 » Sat Sep 27, 2014 3:08 am

Nothing to see here folks just some run of the mill workplace violence from a psychopath. Cutting peoples heads off is the new "going postal" so be careful out there fellow Denizens of these United States...
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Re: Woman Beheaded in Oklahoma

Postby Abraham » Sat Sep 27, 2014 8:51 am

ISIS may or may not have agents in place to conduct "lone wolf" attacks, but for sure they've given the green light to the murderously unstable.

Lots of crazies need only a little encouragement to kill and ISIS is boosting their motivation as happened in Oklahoma.

Was the lunatic in Oklahoma an agent with direct orders from a terrorist group?

My opinion: NO

I think he was a garden variety unstable person looking for an excuse to murder and as soon as he found one (getting fired) he carried out his crime certain he was justified.


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Re: Woman Beheaded in Oklahoma

Postby rotor » Sat Sep 27, 2014 11:11 am

The issue of real importance is that man with a gun stops bad man with a knife.


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Re: Woman Beheaded in Oklahoma

Postby K.Mooneyham » Sat Sep 27, 2014 12:30 pm

rotor wrote:The issue of real importance is that man with a gun stops bad man with a knife.


Motivations aside, that is indeed the true lesson to be learned, or passed on to others. Yes, the individual who fired the shot(s) was an off-duty LEO, but it could as easily have been a private citizen who happened to be in the right place at the right time. I certainly hope that a bill reducing the number of off-limits areas gets through our legislature next year. This incident provides another great example of why it should.


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