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Postby philip964 » Thu May 18, 2017 8:44 am

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/30/busi ... .html?_r=0

Does the first amendment apply to the word engineer.


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Postby Papa_Tiger » Thu May 18, 2017 8:48 am

A little obscure, but already discussed here:
viewtopic.php?f=141&t=88633&p=1149722&hilit=Oregon+Fine#p1149650


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Postby george » Thu May 18, 2017 9:44 am

My company had to be very careful to exclude the word "engineer" on the business cards of our technicians in Texas.
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Re: OR: Man fined for doing math without a license

Postby TexasJohnBoy » Thu May 18, 2017 9:55 am

george wrote:My company had to be very careful to exclude the word "engineer" on the business cards of our technicians in Texas.

I'll be changing my working title to have that word in it now...

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Postby loktite » Thu May 18, 2017 10:11 am

Hrm. I kind of like the sound of "Southern Ingenuity Engineer"
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Re: OR: Man fined for doing math without a license

Postby oohrah » Thu May 18, 2017 3:56 pm

In Texas, if your job title includes the word "engineer", you must have an engineering degree or your company will run afoul of the Texas Society of Professional Engineers.

I'm not surprised at Oregon, but it is not necessary in all engineering disciplines to be licensed by the state.
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Postby Flightmare » Thu May 18, 2017 4:05 pm

oohrah wrote:In Texas, if your job title includes the word "engineer", you must have an engineering degree or your company will run afoul of the Texas Society of Professional Engineers.

I'm not surprised at Oregon, but it is not necessary in all engineering disciplines to be licensed by the state.


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Postby CrimsonSoul » Thu May 18, 2017 4:16 pm

oohrah wrote:In Texas, if your job title includes the word "engineer", you must have an engineering degree or your company will run afoul of the Texas Society of Professional Engineers.

I'm not surprised at Oregon, but it is not necessary in all engineering disciplines to be licensed by the state.

What about locomotive engineers? (the ones that operate the train)
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Postby crazy2medic » Thu May 18, 2017 5:04 pm

What about a Fire Apparatus Engineer? Commonly referred to as a Engineer or driver, up north they call them chauffeurs
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Postby puma guy » Thu May 18, 2017 5:32 pm

I lost my Dad's old federal list of jobs, but I'll bet their are plenty of engineers in it. The refinery I worked in gave the title of Engineer to the top job at the boiler house. It was listed in our Union handbook along with the wages. One of my first jobs when I was hourly was "Gas Dispatcher"; no not what you're thinking :biggrinjester: . I looked it up in his book and sure enough it described my job.
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Re: OR: Man fined for doing math without a license

Postby Soccerdad1995 » Thu May 18, 2017 6:00 pm

IANAL, but the legal profession has similar restrictions on what you can call yourself, I believe. In my profession (Accounting), there is a restriction on "holding yourself out" as a CPA, but I don't believe there are any restrictions on using the term "accountant".

So this is not restricted just to "engineers"
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Postby Take Down Sicko » Thu May 18, 2017 6:26 pm

I have a Boiler Lics. that says Stationary Engineer on it. The City of Houston extracts 102 dollars every year from me to renew it. With what i payed in taxes last year and all my lics, fees i think i bought Uncle Sam a new Air Force One.


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Re: OR: Man fined for doing math without a license

Postby LTUME1978 » Thu May 18, 2017 8:01 pm

The problem this guy had was he called himself an engineer while doing work for the public without having a Professional Engineers license. That is a big no-no with the Engineering Board in any State.

If you practice engineering for the public, in the state of Texas (and probably every state in the union), you must has a professional engineers license. Besides having an engineering degree from an accredited university, one must pass two separate 8 hour exams and demonstrate a work history (usually at least 4 years of suitable work with references) that would support the board awarding you a P. E. license. If you work for a manufacturing facility and are only doing work at that site as an employee of that company, you don't need a license in the state of Texas.

I am an engineer with a license in 2 states. I wish all of the states would require that anyone working as an engineer in any capacity have a license. It is amazing what I have seen unlicensed engineers do over the years. If all engineers had to have a license, a number of unqualified engineers would be weeded out of the system with a resulting improvement in designs.


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Re: OR: Man fined for doing math without a license

Postby Dave2 » Thu May 18, 2017 8:33 pm

oohrah wrote:In Texas, if your job title includes the word "engineer", you must have an engineering degree or your company will run afoul of the Texas Society of Professional Engineers.

I'm not surprised at Oregon, but it is not necessary in all engineering disciplines to be licensed by the state.

My job title was "audio engineer" for several years, and nobody in my department had such a degree.

And, at least last time I checked, people could be a "software engineer" without any degree at all.
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Re: OR: Man fined for doing math without a license

Postby twjones » Thu May 18, 2017 9:58 pm

LTUME1978 wrote:The problem this guy had was he called himself an engineer while doing work for the public without having a Professional Engineers license. That is a big no-no with the Engineering Board in any State.

If you practice engineering for the public, in the state of Texas (and probably every state in the union), you must has a professional engineers license. Besides having an engineering degree from an accredited university, one must pass two separate 8 hour exams and demonstrate a work history (usually at least 4 years of suitable work with references) that would support the board awarding you a P. E. license. If you work for a manufacturing facility and are only doing work at that site as an employee of that company, you don't need a license in the state of Texas.

I am an engineer with a license in 2 states. I wish all of the states would require that anyone working as an engineer in any capacity have a license. It is amazing what I have seen unlicensed engineers do over the years. If all engineers had to have a license, a number of unqualified engineers would be weeded out of the system with a resulting improvement in designs.


There are plenty of engineers who have their P.E. who really aren't very good engineers. Likewise, there are plenty of folks who don't have their P.E. who are excellent engineers.

By the way, P.E. or PE?

I use P.E.; not really sure why but that's what my old boss used and I know it's more old school.


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