Road rager pointed gun at woman

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Re: Road rager pointed gun at woman

Postby RPBrown » Tue Aug 08, 2017 1:06 pm

First, let me say I am not saying what either party did was right or wrong. I wasn't there so I don't know and I do not condone what he did based on what little I do know about the incident.

Now, some of us have seen the incident where the man in the car ran a biker off of the road on purpose. I am sure all of us have had some idiot come close to running you off of the road whether on purpose or not. We have also seen that LEO's have shot at people for trying to run them over. Folks, these are 3000 pound weapons if they wanted to be. There are some that feel that if someone tries to run you over, intentionally or not, that they have the right to shoot. This is training I personally was not taught in my class way back when. When talking to my wife about it, it was not discussed in her class either and that was only 5 years ago. Perhaps it should be included in some shoot/don't shoot scenarios.

Personally, if someone is trying to run me over, my first instinct would be get out of the way and to a safer position. Then, and only if they turned around and came back to finish the job, would I pull my weapon and that would be after calling 911.
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Re: Road rager pointed gun at woman

Postby bblhd672 » Tue Aug 08, 2017 2:46 pm

RPBrown wrote:First, let me say I am not saying what either party did was right or wrong. I wasn't there so I don't know and I do not condone what he did based on what little I do know about the incident.

Now, some of us have seen the incident where the man in the car ran a biker off of the road on purpose. I am sure all of us have had some idiot come close to running you off of the road whether on purpose or not. We have also seen that LEO's have shot at people for trying to run them over. Folks, these are 3000 pound weapons if they wanted to be. There are some that feel that if someone tries to run you over, intentionally or not, that they have the right to shoot. This is training I personally was not taught in my class way back when. When talking to my wife about it, it was not discussed in her class either and that was only 5 years ago. Perhaps it should be included in some shoot/don't shoot scenarios.

Personally, if someone is trying to run me over, my first instinct would be get out of the way and to a safer position. Then, and only if they turned around and came back to finish the job, would I pull my weapon and that would be after calling 911.


:iagree: In the incident last month in Arlington (still no one arrested) the truck the man killed was driving left the interstate, crossed a service road and hit a brick business sign. Others not involved could have been killed or injured.

I maintain there is a lot more to this story than has been reported, the woman driver probably contributed her part to the "rage" of the other party.
There is no doubt that the man pointing a gun at someone from his car was stupid, reckless and most likely will result in being charged with a crime. He's fortunate that the object of his anger was a woman on her way to work and not a carload of gang bangers looking for someone to demonstrate their manhood on.
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Re: Road rager pointed gun at woman

Postby stroo » Tue Aug 08, 2017 2:55 pm

Whatever the woman driver was doing, this guy had all sorts options to deal with her driving besides pulling his gun and pointing it at her while both were moving at speed. I just can't see self defense here.

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Re: Road rager pointed gun at woman

Postby warnmar10 » Tue Aug 08, 2017 3:17 pm

stroo wrote:..., this guy had all sorts options to deal with her driving besides pulling his gun and pointing it at her while both were moving at speed. ...
Like step on the brake and let her go, speed up and pull away from that crazy woman or pull over/take an exit. To me, self defense means I didn't see another viable way out. Our brandish-er in this example seems to be standing his ground not defending himself.


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Re: Road rager pointed gun at woman

Postby SewTexas » Tue Aug 08, 2017 5:14 pm

bblhd672 wrote:
RPBrown wrote:First, let me say I am not saying what either party did was right or wrong. I wasn't there so I don't know and I do not condone what he did based on what little I do know about the incident.

Now, some of us have seen the incident where the man in the car ran a biker off of the road on purpose. I am sure all of us have had some idiot come close to running you off of the road whether on purpose or not. We have also seen that LEO's have shot at people for trying to run them over. Folks, these are 3000 pound weapons if they wanted to be. There are some that feel that if someone tries to run you over, intentionally or not, that they have the right to shoot. This is training I personally was not taught in my class way back when. When talking to my wife about it, it was not discussed in her class either and that was only 5 years ago. Perhaps it should be included in some shoot/don't shoot scenarios.

Personally, if someone is trying to run me over, my first instinct would be get out of the way and to a safer position. Then, and only if they turned around and came back to finish the job, would I pull my weapon and that would be after calling 911.


:iagree: In the incident last month in Arlington (still no one arrested) the truck the man killed was driving left the interstate, crossed a service road and hit a brick business sign. Others not involved could have been killed or injured.

I maintain there is a lot more to this story than has been reported, the woman driver probably contributed her part to the "rage" of the other party.
There is no doubt that the man pointing a gun at someone from his car was stupid, reckless and most likely will result in being charged with a crime. He's fortunate that the object of his anger was a woman on her way to work and not a carload of gang bangers looking for someone to demonstrate their manhood on.



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Re: Road rager pointed gun at woman

Postby The Annoyed Man » Tue Aug 08, 2017 6:01 pm

Oldgringo wrote:
C-dub wrote:Bad bad bad!!!

At least dingleberry kept his finger off the trigger.

I've debated whether or not I would OC while riding my bike and am leaning toward the NOT direction for a couple of reasons, but mostly just one main one. First and not the big one, the wife has expressed her dislike for OC. Second, this is the big one, I don't want someone like this or anyone getting upset with me for whatever dumb reason and calling 911 saying that I pointed my gun at them since they know I have one if it is out there for all to see.

I hope they catch this nut and I hope he's not licensed.


And then, there is that....

Per FOX4 just a minute ago, police say that the man DOES have a carry license. He was charged with a Class A misdemeanor, and given a $1,000 bond.
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Re: Road rager pointed gun at woman

Postby Jusme » Tue Aug 08, 2017 6:19 pm

The Annoyed Man wrote:
Oldgringo wrote:
C-dub wrote:Bad bad bad!!!

At least dingleberry kept his finger off the trigger.

I've debated whether or not I would OC while riding my bike and am leaning toward the NOT direction for a couple of reasons, but mostly just one main one. First and not the big one, the wife has expressed her dislike for OC. Second, this is the big one, I don't want someone like this or anyone getting upset with me for whatever dumb reason and calling 911 saying that I pointed my gun at them since they know I have one if it is out there for all to see.

I hope they catch this nut and I hope he's not licensed.


And then, there is that....

Per FOX4 just a minute ago, police say that the man DOES have a carry license. He was charged with a Class A misdemeanor, and given a $1,000 bond.



Guess he didn't pay attention in class. He had plenty of time to extricate himself from any issue, even if it meant pulling off to the shoulder and allowing a tailgater to move on. If he was then threatened, his action may have been justified, but, drawing a gun, while still moving, and able to maneuver away, tends to take away, any self defense, testimony.
Not to mention, the damage his actions, cause to legitimate self defense actions by LTC holders. If a person can't figure out how to deescalate a situation, he/she should never get their LTC. JMHO
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Re: Road rager pointed gun at woman

Postby The Annoyed Man » Tue Aug 08, 2017 6:26 pm

Yep. Words fail me at this kind of moronic behavior.
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Re: Road rager pointed gun at woman

Postby Bitter Clinger » Tue Aug 08, 2017 6:42 pm

The Annoyed Man wrote:Yep. Words fail me at this kind of moronic behavior.


And that's saying something!! :biggrinjester:
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Re: Road rager pointed gun at woman

Postby bblhd672 » Tue Aug 08, 2017 6:50 pm

Bitter Clinger wrote:
The Annoyed Man wrote:Yep. Words fail me at this kind of moronic behavior.


And that's saying something!! :biggrinjester:

:iagree:
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Re: Road rager pointed gun at woman

Postby Liberty » Tue Aug 08, 2017 6:57 pm

bblhd672 wrote:
Bitter Clinger wrote:
The Annoyed Man wrote:Yep. Words fail me at this kind of moronic behavior.


And that's saying something!! :biggrinjester:

:iagree:

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Re: Road rager pointed gun at woman

Postby Oldgringo » Tue Aug 08, 2017 9:33 pm

Liberty wrote:
bblhd672 wrote:
Bitter Clinger wrote:
The Annoyed Man wrote:Yep. Words fail me at this kind of moronic behavior.


And that's saying something!! :biggrinjester:

:iagree:

Me 2

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Re: Road rager pointed gun at woman

Postby The Annoyed Man » Tue Aug 08, 2017 10:21 pm

Oldgringo wrote:
Liberty wrote:
bblhd672 wrote:
Bitter Clinger wrote:
The Annoyed Man wrote:Yep. Words fail me at this kind of moronic behavior.

And that's saying something!! :biggrinjester:

:iagree:

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This is an historic occasion. :txflag:

Me 3. :lol:
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Re: Road rager pointed gun at woman

Postby Maxwell » Wed Aug 09, 2017 10:56 am

The Annoyed Man wrote:
Oldgringo wrote:
Liberty wrote:
bblhd672 wrote:
Bitter Clinger wrote:
The Annoyed Man wrote:Yep. Words fail me at this kind of moronic behavior.

And that's saying something!! :biggrinjester:

:iagree:

Me 2

This is an historic occasion. :txflag:

Me 3. :lol:

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