TX: Sutherland Springs church 26 dead 20 injured in mass shooting

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Re: TX: Sutherland Springs church 26 dead 20 injured in mass shooting

Postby ELB » Tue Nov 07, 2017 4:38 pm

allisji wrote:Now Fox is reporting that Devin Kelley had once in 2012 escaped from a Psych Hospital and had smuggled guns onto Holloman AFB to carry out death threats against military superiors! This information was supposedly entered into the NCIC database?!

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/11/07/te ... force.html


The mental health facility he escaped from seems to be a private entity, but mentions treating military on its web page. I'm guessing it has a contract with the USAF or DoD. Going by this article and another one I read some place, it appears when he took off the facility notified civilian police in NM and/or TX, and the Texas cops found him, gave him to the NM police, who returned him to the facility. This seemed to have happened fairly quickly, he wasn't on the run for weeks. Maybe just a day or two.

So given all the other SNAFUs in this guy's history, I wonder if the facility ever reported to the USAF that he escaped? That's a detail I would run down if I were a reporter, or the investigator assigned by Mattis looking into how this guy never got entered into the NICS and all that.
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Re: TX: Sutherland Springs church 26 dead 20 injured in mass shooting

Postby powerboatr » Tue Nov 07, 2017 5:08 pm

SQLGeek wrote:
Ruark wrote:This gem, from the CNN article above:
    "In some states, a background check can be run fairly quickly through the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS). However, Texas is not one of these states, so firearms dealers are required to contact the FBI directly for all firearm background checks."


Where in the world do they come up with this stuff? :headscratch

because they assume we are a separate country ?? been straighten folks out on twitter all day.
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Re: TX: Sutherland Springs church 26 dead 20 injured in mass shooting

Postby Oldgringo » Tue Nov 07, 2017 5:22 pm

flechero wrote:
5thGenTexan wrote:On another note, Saw the Dallas Bishop has asked that parish 30.06 30.07 signs to be taken down but keep banning guns


That makes no sense. So he wants BG's to THINK it's not a soft target but still wants it to BE a soft target. WTH? :headscratch

In light of this tragic event, Bishop Edward J. Burns has asked that parishes in the Diocese of Dallas consider appropriate safety measures, including the removal of all signs prohibiting the concealed carry of firearms on campus to eliminate any perception that any of our parishes would be an easy target for terror. But let us be clear, the policy of prohibiting the open or concealed possession of firearms at our parishes still stands.


You can't make this stuff up.

IANAL but, I would think this open admission of recognized but unsecured/unprotected danger to parishioners would establish papal liability in the event of......well, you know?

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Postby Oldgringo » Tue Nov 07, 2017 5:26 pm

NotRPB wrote:2 related articles
Ted Cruz reveals how Democrats FILIBUSTERED legislation that would have forced the Air Force to update NCIC

Read more: http://therightscoop.com/ted-cruz-reveals-how-democrats-filibustered-legislation-that-would-have-forced-the-air-force-to-update-ncic/#ixzz4xmOd3umH

John Cornyn announces plan for legislation on background checks after Texas shooting
After a gunman killed at least 26 people at a Texas church, Sen. John Cornyn (R-Tex.) on Nov. 7 said “there’s an opportunity for us here to work on a bipartisan basis” on legislation to improve the enforcement of background checks. https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/politics/cornyn-announces-plan-for-legislation-on-background-checks-after-texas-shooting/2017/11/07/1bba1108-c3f0-11e7-9922-4151f5ca6168_video.html?utm_term=.1d80813d05d8


John Cornyn is another sterling example of the immediate need for TERM LIMITS.

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Re: TX: Sutherland Springs church 26 dead 20 injured in mass shooting

Postby allisji » Tue Nov 07, 2017 6:20 pm

Oldgringo wrote:
John Cornyn is another sterling example of the immediate need for TERM LIMITS.


Winning the VA governorship tonight could help us on the way to getting a constitutional convention, to ratify an amendment for congressional term limits. Or at least would indicate a shift in the right direction toward having a sufficient majority of state governments on board.
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Postby jb2012 » Tue Nov 07, 2017 6:23 pm

Maybe it's just me, but are our representatives aware of the "black market"? It seems like they all either forget or omit the fact that everything the government has regulated, or deemed illegal, is very easily accessible through the black market. Do they think that "Billy Criminal" is going to conduct a background check when he sells a stolen gun to "Johnnie Criminal" if they enacted universal background checks?

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Postby allisji » Tue Nov 07, 2017 6:38 pm

jb2012 wrote:Maybe it's just me, but are our representatives aware of the "black market"? They practically own the black market

It seems like they all either forget or omit the fact that everything the government has regulated, or deemed illegal, is very easily accessible through the black market.

Do they think that "Billy Criminal" is going to conduct a background check when he sells a stolen gun to "Johnnie Criminal" if they enacted universal background checks? They want background checks to fail so that they can move along to the next big thing in gun control

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Postby philip964 » Tue Nov 07, 2017 6:53 pm

Violating existing gun laws apparently is not a big deal to most governments. Extremely low prosecution rates even in states like California.


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Postby 1911 Raptor » Tue Nov 07, 2017 6:55 pm

bblhd672 wrote:
1911 Raptor wrote:
flechero wrote:
5thGenTexan wrote:On another note, Saw the Dallas Bishop has asked that parish 30.06 30.07 signs to be taken down but keep banning guns


That makes no sense. So he wants BG's to THINK it's not a soft target but still wants it to BE a soft target. WTH? :headscratch

In light of this tragic event, Bishop Edward J. Burns has asked that parishes in the Diocese of Dallas consider appropriate safety measures, including the removal of all signs prohibiting the concealed carry of firearms on campus to eliminate any perception that any of our parishes would be an easy target for terror. But let us be clear, the policy of prohibiting the open or concealed possession of firearms at our parishes still stands.


You can't make this stuff up.


Now if only the Fort Worth Bishop will follow the Dallas Bishop direction. I don’t care what they think as long as the signs come down.


It doesn’t matter whether the signs are there or not if notice has been given that open and concealed carry is prohibited on the premises.
Either way you can’t legally carry there.


Effective notice has not been given and unti it has no signs mean you can carry once they come down.


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Re: TX: Sutherland Springs church 26 dead 20 injured in mass shooting

Postby jb2012 » Tue Nov 07, 2017 6:57 pm

philip964 wrote:Violating existing gun laws apparently is not a big deal to most governments. Extremely low prosecution rates even in states like California.


I saw some statistics today, but don't remember where I saw them (been doing a lot of reading today) and they amount of gun crime in California (not to mention the rest of the US) that goes unprosecuted is ridiculous.

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Re: TX: Sutherland Springs church 26 dead 20 injured in mass shooting

Postby bblhd672 » Tue Nov 07, 2017 7:17 pm

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What do we know (in my opinion):
1. Our society is sick.
2. No proposed solution promises to heal it.
3. There are no political solutions to problems created by politics.

If gun prohibitions fixed sick societies, Mexico would be among the most peaceful places on Earth. This alone proves the fundamentally flawed approach of the Left. Adding new prohibitions (on anything) do not improve society because legislated rules only guide the behavior of those predisposed to follow those rules in the first place, and our society’s sickness is illustrated by both those who recognize no moral authority and by the rules that openly destroy moral authority
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Re: TX: Sutherland Springs church 26 dead 20 injured in mass shooting

Postby Pawpaw » Tue Nov 07, 2017 7:41 pm

philip964 wrote:Violating existing gun laws apparently is not a big deal to most governments. Extremely low prosecution rates even in states like California.

It makes perfect sense when you think about it.

The vast majority of people who fail a NICS check are either criminals or mentally unfit. Either way, politicians have to grant them professional courtesy.
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Re: TX: Sutherland Springs church 26 dead 20 injured in mass shooting

Postby philip964 » Tue Nov 07, 2017 8:06 pm

Sister of Texas church shooting victim: 'No more guns' - CNN
https://apple.news/Afi2bsyGzSuOa6_CZuMcMeA

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Re: TX: Sutherland Springs church 26 dead 20 injured in mass shooting

Postby anygunanywhere » Tue Nov 07, 2017 8:44 pm

philip964 wrote:Sister of Texas church shooting victim: 'No more guns' - CNN
https://apple.news/Afi2bsyGzSuOa6_CZuMcMeA


Not a shocker. They are from gun free Mexico, the peaceful paradise where only the government and drug cartels have weapons.
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Re: TX: Sutherland Springs church 26 dead 20 injured in mass shooting

Postby SewTexas » Tue Nov 07, 2017 9:58 pm

powerboatr wrote:
SQLGeek wrote:
Ruark wrote:This gem, from the CNN article above:
    "In some states, a background check can be run fairly quickly through the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS). However, Texas is not one of these states, so firearms dealers are required to contact the FBI directly for all firearm background checks."


Where in the world do they come up with this stuff? :headscratch

because they assume we are a separate country ?? been straighten folks out on twitter all day.



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