HB681/SB321 Parking Lots Bill is on the Floor

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Re: HB681/SB321 Parking Lots Bill is on the Floor

Postby boomstick » Wed May 04, 2011 11:59 am

SB 321 has finally passed on third reading
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Re: HB681/SB321 Parking Lots Bill is on the Floor

Postby Bulldog1911 » Wed May 04, 2011 12:05 pm

Awesome. I think this question was asked earlier, but will this effect teachers. My wife just got her education degree, and plans to start teaching this fall. Does anyone know?
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Re: HB681/SB321 Parking Lots Bill is on the Floor

Postby terryg » Wed May 04, 2011 12:05 pm

Ha, so we were talking about this bill and my student worker (I work at a private university) is wondering if the bill would cover him allowing him to store in his vehicle on campus since he works for us part time!!!
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Re: HB681/SB321 Parking Lots Bill is on the Floor

Postby Hookemhorns1997 » Wed May 04, 2011 12:08 pm

so does the bill have to go back to the senate now, or does it go to the govenor?

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Re: HB681/SB321 Parking Lots Bill is on the Floor

Postby A-R » Wed May 04, 2011 12:16 pm

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austinrealtor wrote:What happened? I just turned on video feed and "Chuy" was pushing some joint resolution commending some businesswoman from south America or something - couldn't stomach hearing his voice anymore, so turned it off :grumble

Wrong feed--that's the Senate; SB321 is on the floor of the House.


oh, i thought it was backin senate debating the two house-added amendments ....
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Re: HB681/SB321 Parking Lots Bill is on the Floor

Postby TrueFlog » Wed May 04, 2011 12:16 pm

Hookemhorns1997 wrote:so does the bill have to go back to the senate now, or does it go to the govenor?

I think Charles has answered that question twice already.

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Re: HB681/SB321 Parking Lots Bill is on the Floor

Postby A-R » Wed May 04, 2011 12:23 pm

turned on video of house just in time to see "I don't understand" guy :banghead:

quickly turned it off, but not before figuring out his name ...

http://www.house.state.tx.us/members/me ... strict=142

Anyone in this guy's east Houston district? I'll raise money for you if you want to run against him. My only prerequisite is that you can fog a mirror AND understand this sentence "this bill ONLY allows those persons legally authorized to possess guns to possess them in their vehicles in a parking lot"

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Re: HB681/SB321 Parking Lots Bill is on the Floor

Postby hirundo82 » Wed May 04, 2011 12:58 pm

What was the amendment to the bill? The website says it was offered by Harnett, who was one of those consistently voting against the bill yesterday.
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Re: HB681/SB321 Parking Lots Bill is on the Floor

Postby i8godzilla » Wed May 04, 2011 12:59 pm

TrueFlog wrote:Eiland is speaking again about the fact that contractors are not covered. He seems to understand that this bill is the best we can do. I think he's just trying to cover himself with his constituents - showing he made an effort to get contractors included. He and Kleinschmidt agree the best approach is to pass this bill, then amend it next session to cover contractors.

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As one who has worked many projects as a contractor, at first glance I do not see this as a big deal. I just read through three contracts that I have worked and there is no mention of weapons/firearms. So unless the parking lot is posted it is not a big deal. As a contractor I have been able to carry into buildings that the employees of the same company could not. Most of my contracts have been Corp-to-Corp. Very rarely are there specifics about my employees in the contract other than they must conduct themselves in an ethical manner and drug free. If you contract directly with a company (versus owning your own business-LLC) and they dictate too many restrictions--that in essence treat you as an employee--then you may have a case of being an employee and the company may have to provide the employee benefits to you. The IRS has very specific rules about contractor-vs-employees.

I am sure there are some contracts that would have language preventing it, however, unless the contact also states they can search your car then I would say, "Concealed is concealed".

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Re: HB681/SB321 Parking Lots Bill is on the Floor

Postby Iunnrais » Wed May 04, 2011 1:27 pm

I wonder how this affects employees where the employer leases X number of floors in a building where the property owner's policy also prevents storage in personal vehicles.
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Re: HB681/SB321 Parking Lots Bill is on the Floor

Postby Andrus » Wed May 04, 2011 1:27 pm

Hookemhorns1997 wrote:so does the bill have to go back to the senate now, or does it go to the govenor?


To the Senate as I understand it.
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Re: HB681/SB321 Parking Lots Bill is on the Floor

Postby TrueFlog » Wed May 04, 2011 1:43 pm

The amendment adopted today doesn't substantially alter the bill, as far as I can tell. I just clarifies that immunity from liability does not extend to any person who causes injury with the firearm. Such immunity was never in the bill to begin with, so I don't know why the amendment was necessary, but it doesn't change anything.

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Re: HB681/SB321 Parking Lots Bill is on the Floor

Postby Bulldog1911 » Wed May 04, 2011 2:04 pm

Arg, saw this on another forum...


Also, school employees are not covered by the law.


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Re: HB681/SB321 Parking Lots Bill is on the Floor

Postby Jasonw560 » Wed May 04, 2011 2:20 pm

Boy, people do sure want others to be victims, don't they?

How does affect Penal Code 46.03(a)(1)? You know, the written authorization of a school part?
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Re: HB681/SB321 Parking Lots Bill is on the Floor

Postby hirundo82 » Wed May 04, 2011 2:45 pm

Jasonw560 wrote:How does affect Penal Code 46.03(a)(1)? You know, the written authorization of a school part?

SB321 doesn't make any changes to the Penal Code. It's already legal for school employees to have firearms in their vehicles on school property--they can just be fired if it is discovered.
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