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Re: New Article: Senate Moving Quickly on Two Gun Bills

Postby K.Mooneyham » Fri Feb 13, 2015 2:32 am

I'd rather see CHL just turn into HL (concealed and open) first, anyway. It will, hopefully, allow the notion of it to ease into public consciousness. And campus carry, IMHO, is long overdue, but better late than never.

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Re: New Article: Senate Moving Quickly on Two Gun Bills

Postby Vol Texan » Fri Feb 13, 2015 8:14 am

K.Mooneyham wrote:I'd rather see CHL (Concealed Handgun License) just turn into HL (Handgun License) (concealed and open) first, anyway. It will, hopefully, allow the notion of it to ease into public consciousness. And campus carry, IMHO, is long overdue, but better late than never.


I like your train of thought, but I think the semantics are important. Instead of the definitions above (which I added in red for clarity's sake), I prefer the ones below:
I'd rather see CHL (Concealed Handgun License) just turn into CL (Carry License) (concealed and open) first, anyway. It will, hopefully, allow the notion of it to ease into public consciousness. And campus carry, IMHO, is long overdue, but better late than never.


Like I said, it's just semantics, but I don't like the sound of a 'handgun license'. It sounds like it's more regressive than we currently have (sort of like living in DC).
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Re: New Article: Senate Moving Quickly on Two Gun Bills

Postby Vol Texan » Fri Feb 13, 2015 8:17 am

Please correct me if I'm wrong on this...

Does the Campus Carry bill apply to students, teachers and staff? Does that mean it excludes visitors, parents, and guest speakers? If what I've written is true, then I hope it gets modified to be more inclusive. Sure, the incremental change of just the first three groups is an improvement, but it's not far enough.
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Re: New Article: Senate Moving Quickly on Two Gun Bills

Postby stash » Fri Feb 13, 2015 9:23 am

I am not sure, but I believe it would apply to anyone with a CHL. I further believe that if campus carry passes, it will give institutions the option to opt in or out (too many powerful people for it not to be this way). What I am really hoping, is that while campus carry and OC are being bandied around, carry anywhere (almost) will get some traction.
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Re: New Article: Senate Moving Quickly on Two Gun Bills

Postby TVGuy » Fri Feb 13, 2015 9:30 am

stash wrote:I am not sure, but I believe it would apply to anyone with a CHL. I further believe that if campus carry passes, it will give institutions the option to opt in or out (too many powerful people for it not to be this way). What I am really hoping, is that while campus carry and OC are being bandied around, carry anywhere (almost) will get some traction.


Only private institutions would be allowed to opt-out, unless otherwise amended.


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Re: New Article: Senate Moving Quickly on Two Gun Bills

Postby J.R.@A&M » Fri Feb 13, 2015 11:36 am

Vol Texan wrote:Please correct me if I'm wrong on this...

Does the Campus Carry bill apply to students, teachers and staff? Does that mean it excludes visitors, parents, and guest speakers? If what I've written is true, then I hope it gets modified to be more inclusive. Sure, the incremental change of just the first three groups is an improvement, but it's not far enough.


My interpretation of this: Sec. 411.2031 (c) Except as provided by Subsection (d) or (e), an
institution of higher education or private or independent
institution of higher education in this state may not adopt any
rule, regulation, or other provision prohibiting license holders
from carrying handguns on the campus of the institution.


is that state universities are absolutely prohibited from having rules, policies, etc. that restrict faculty, staff, or students from carrying concealed. That leaves only the issue (Subsection (d)) about storage in dorms and (e) private school broader restrictions. There appeared to be a little room for other concessions (per Duncan's testimony) related to funded projects, labs, etc., although Sen. Birdwell stressed that he was not going to let those kinds of concessions affect the broad impact of the bill.

In other words, if SB 11 becomes law, I expect to be able to carry in my university office building as well as the off-campus research/extension facilities around the State.

The remaining question I have is whether the University System will drop its current restrictions on carrying while in University vehicles or rental cars.

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Vol Tex, I just realized I was reading your concern in reverse. Being a university system employee, I was assuming that the main risk was that the criminality of entering university buildings would be removed (enabling Joe Q. Visitor CHL to enter) but that the university might restrict employees as a matter of workplace policy. However, items b) and c) of the subsection referenced above appear to prevent that.
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Re: New Article: Senate Moving Quickly on Two Gun Bills

Postby mr1337 » Mon Feb 16, 2015 9:12 am

Vol Texan wrote:Please correct me if I'm wrong on this...

Does the Campus Carry bill apply to students, teachers and staff? Does that mean it excludes visitors, parents, and guest speakers? If what I've written is true, then I hope it gets modified to be more inclusive. Sure, the incremental change of just the first three groups is an improvement, but it's not far enough.


All CHL holders will be able to carry on campus if it passes. It does not make the distinction of student, teacher, parent, or guest.
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