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Reason for Optimism?

Postby Charles L. Cotton » Tue Mar 12, 2013 9:25 am

I hate the phrase "guardedly optimistic" because it's so over used, but it applies to my feelings at this time. Many people, me included, were very concerned about the appointment of an El Paso Democrat, Joe Pickett, as Chairman of the House Homeland Security & Public Safety Committee. It appeared to play into the hands of liberal, anti-gun Democrats because that is the most important House committee for gun owners in Texas.

So why am I feeling better about major bills this session? In spite of tremendous pressure from within his own Party in Texas and elsewhere, Chairman Pickett scheduled public hearings on two high profile, emotionally charged bills and he did it earlier than in last session. I'm speaking of campus-carry and open-carry bills. We also expect those bills to be voted on in a timely fashion, i.e. one week after the hearings. If the votes occur as we have been led to believe, then there is every reason to believe the House will not be an impediment to passing pro-gun bills. That said, this isn't my first rodeo and only time will tell, but again, I'm "guardedly optimistic."

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Postby jmra » Tue Mar 12, 2013 9:35 am

Good to hear. Much better than I was anticipating.
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Postby K.Mooneyham » Tue Mar 12, 2013 9:37 am

Charles L. Cotton wrote:I hate the phrase "guardedly optimistic" because it's so over used, but it applies to my feelings at this time. Many people, me included, were very concerned about the appointment of an El Paso Democrat, Joe Pickett, as Chairman of the House Homeland Security & Public Safety Committee. It appeared to play into the hands of liberal, anti-gun Democrats because that is the most important House committee for gun owners in Texas.

So why am I feeling better about major bills this session? In spite of tremendous pressure from within his own Party in Texas and elsewhere, Chairman Pickett scheduled public hearings on two high profile, emotionally charged bills and he did it earlier than in last session. I'm speaking of campus-carry and open-carry bills. We also expect votes on those bills to be voted on in a timely fashion, i.e. one week after the hearings. If the votes occur as we have been led to believe, then there is every reason to believe the House will not be an impediment to passing pro-gun bills. That said, this isn't my first rodeo and only time will tell, but again, I'm "guardedly optimistic."

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Postby MadMonkey » Tue Mar 12, 2013 11:32 am

Good to hear! :cheers2:
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Postby dac1842 » Wed Mar 13, 2013 7:11 am

Even if they clear committee, The Calendars Committee is the death valley for bills.


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Postby chasfm11 » Wed Mar 13, 2013 7:27 am

Thank for the glimmer of hope, Charles. I didn't have one before, based on all of the circumstances of this session.

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Postby jmra » Wed Mar 13, 2013 7:29 am

dac1842 wrote:Even if they clear committee, The Calendars Committee is the death valley for bills.

Are you a glass half empty kinda guy by any chance?
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Postby Charles L. Cotton » Wed Mar 13, 2013 9:18 am

dac1842 wrote:Even if they clear committee, The Calendars Committee is the death valley for bills.


You're right and the makeup of the Calendars Committee is worrisome. That's why we all need to remember: viewtopic.php?f=125&t=62468 This is also why I said "only time will tell."

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Postby TrueFlog » Wed Mar 13, 2013 9:21 am

Charles L. Cotton wrote:I hate the phrase "guardedly optimistic" because it's so over used, but it applies to my feelings at this time. Many people, me included, were very concerned about the appointment of an El Paso Democrat, Joe Pickett, as Chairman of the House Homeland Security & Public Safety Committee. It appeared to play into the hands of liberal, anti-gun Democrats because that is the most important House committee for gun owners in Texas.

So why am I feeling better about major bills this session? In spite of tremendous pressure from within his own Party in Texas and elsewhere, Chairman Pickett scheduled public hearings on two high profile, emotionally charged bills and he did it earlier than in last session. I'm speaking of campus-carry and open-carry bills. We also expect those bills to be voted on in a timely fashion, i.e. one week after the hearings. If the votes occur as we have been led to believe, then there is every reason to believe the House will not be an impediment to passing pro-gun bills. That said, this isn't my first rodeo and only time will tell, but only again, I'm "guardedly optimistic."

Chas.

I'm curious - If we do get these two bills to the floor for a vote, do we have enough votes to get them passed in both chambers? I know Campus Carry has majority support, but I don't know where most legislators stand on Open Carry.


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Postby TREKFAN » Wed Mar 13, 2013 9:40 am

TrueFlog wrote:
Charles L. Cotton wrote:I hate the phrase "guardedly optimistic" because it's so over used, but it applies to my feelings at this time. Many people, me included, were very concerned about the appointment of an El Paso Democrat, Joe Pickett, as Chairman of the House Homeland Security & Public Safety Committee. It appeared to play into the hands of liberal, anti-gun Democrats because that is the most important House committee for gun owners in Texas.

So why am I feeling better about major bills this session? In spite of tremendous pressure from within his own Party in Texas and elsewhere, Chairman Pickett scheduled public hearings on two high profile, emotionally charged bills and he did it earlier than in last session. I'm speaking of campus-carry and open-carry bills. We also expect those bills to be voted on in a timely fashion, i.e. one week after the hearings. If the votes occur as we have been led to believe, then there is every reason to believe the House will not be an impediment to passing pro-gun bills. That said, this isn't my first rodeo and only time will tell, but only again, I'm "guardedly optimistic."

Chas.

I'm curious - If we do get these two bills to the floor for a vote, do we have enough votes to get them passed in both chambers? I know Campus Carry has majority support, but I don't know where most legislators stand on Open Carry.

I'm hoping that if we can't get open carry done, then at least get campus Carry done because of baby steps. To be truthful, I want Campus carry more than I want open carry (if I had to choose).I hate disarming. I also wish employers couldn't prohibit C.C. for employees but its their right to do so. =( I'd love to carry at work simply so I wouldn't have to disarm. :txflag:
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Re: Reason for Optimism?

Postby papajohn1964 » Wed Mar 13, 2013 9:50 am

TREKFAN wrote:
TrueFlog wrote:
Charles L. Cotton wrote:I hate the phrase "guardedly optimistic" because it's so over used, but it applies to my feelings at this time. Many people, me included, were very concerned about the appointment of an El Paso Democrat, Joe Pickett, as Chairman of the House Homeland Security & Public Safety Committee. It appeared to play into the hands of liberal, anti-gun Democrats because that is the most important House committee for gun owners in Texas.

So why am I feeling better about major bills this session? In spite of tremendous pressure from within his own Party in Texas and elsewhere, Chairman Pickett scheduled public hearings on two high profile, emotionally charged bills and he did it earlier than in last session. I'm speaking of campus-carry and open-carry bills. We also expect those bills to be voted on in a timely fashion, i.e. one week after the hearings. If the votes occur as we have been led to believe, then there is every reason to believe the House will not be an impediment to passing pro-gun bills. That said, this isn't my first rodeo and only time will tell, but only again, I'm "guardedly optimistic."

Chas.

I'm curious - If we do get these two bills to the floor for a vote, do we have enough votes to get them passed in both chambers? I know Campus Carry has majority support, but I don't know where most legislators stand on Open Carry.

I'm hoping that if we can't get open carry done, then at least get campus Carry done because of baby steps. To be truthful, I want Campus carry more than I want open carry (if I had to choose).I hate disarming. I also wish employers couldn't prohibit C.C. for employees but its their right to do so. =( I'd love to carry at work simply so I wouldn't have to disarm. :txflag:



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Re: Reason for Optimism?

Postby Charles L. Cotton » Wed Mar 13, 2013 9:53 am

TrueFlog wrote:
Charles L. Cotton wrote:I hate the phrase "guardedly optimistic" because it's so over used, but it applies to my feelings at this time. Many people, me included, were very concerned about the appointment of an El Paso Democrat, Joe Pickett, as Chairman of the House Homeland Security & Public Safety Committee. It appeared to play into the hands of liberal, anti-gun Democrats because that is the most important House committee for gun owners in Texas.

So why am I feeling better about major bills this session? In spite of tremendous pressure from within his own Party in Texas and elsewhere, Chairman Pickett scheduled public hearings on two high profile, emotionally charged bills and he did it earlier than in last session. I'm speaking of campus-carry and open-carry bills. We also expect those bills to be voted on in a timely fashion, i.e. one week after the hearings. If the votes occur as we have been led to believe, then there is every reason to believe the House will not be an impediment to passing pro-gun bills. That said, this isn't my first rodeo and only time will tell, but only again, I'm "guardedly optimistic."

Chas.

I'm curious - If we do get these two bills to the floor for a vote, do we have enough votes to get them passed in both chambers? I know Campus Carry has majority support, but I don't know where most legislators stand on Open Carry.


Campus-carry has widespread support in the House and Senate and it will pass both bodies, if we can get it to the floor. Gov. Perry wants to sign the bill, so the only hurdle is getting it to the floor. Remember, we need 21 votes in the Senate to bring it up for debate and voting. It died in the Senate last session because a Senator broke his word to Sen. Wentworth and we didn't have 21 votes.

I do not know about the support for open-carry. TSRA and NRA are supporting Rep. Lavender's CSHB700 but it's not "our" bill so I don't know how the votes line up.

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Re: Reason for Optimism?

Postby Scott Farkus » Thu Mar 14, 2013 6:21 am

Charles L. Cotton wrote:I hate the phrase "guardedly optimistic" because it's so over used, but it applies to my feelings at this time. Many people, me included, were very concerned about the appointment of an El Paso Democrat, Joe Pickett, as Chairman of the House Homeland Security & Public Safety Committee. It appeared to play into the hands of liberal, anti-gun Democrats because that is the most important House committee for gun owners in Texas.


Why is it that Democrats even get appointed to chair committees? Hasn't the Texas House been majority Republican for some time? I always thought the committee make-up was in proportion to the party in charge, and that the committee chairs were members of the majority party? At least that's how it is in Washington - why is Texas different?


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Re: Reason for Optimism?

Postby chasfm11 » Thu Mar 14, 2013 9:07 am

Scott Farkus wrote:
Charles L. Cotton wrote:I hate the phrase "guardedly optimistic" because it's so over used, but it applies to my feelings at this time. Many people, me included, were very concerned about the appointment of an El Paso Democrat, Joe Pickett, as Chairman of the House Homeland Security & Public Safety Committee. It appeared to play into the hands of liberal, anti-gun Democrats because that is the most important House committee for gun owners in Texas.


Why is it that Democrats even get appointed to chair committees? Hasn't the Texas House been majority Republican for some time? I always thought the committee make-up was in proportion to the party in charge, and that the committee chairs were members of the majority party? At least that's how it is in Washington - why is Texas different?


You need to look at this. http://www.texaschlforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=125&t=62468

In addition to controlling the bills, Speaker Strauss also controls the committee chair positions. In many ways, he has more power than the Governor. You are correct that the party in power should be in control but Strauss has formed a coalition of some GOP and Democrats to keep HIM in power. He has to reward the contributing Dems for their support of him.

Until a different Speaker is elected, it is going to be the same thing over and over and over. The Republicans control the Texas House in name only. Strauss marches to his own drummer.
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Postby GaryAdrian » Fri Mar 15, 2013 2:51 pm

I am too hoping to get Campus Carry passed. I work at UH main campus and almost weekly we get reports of robberies and other crimes. I got to talk with Steve Hall (TSRA) at the 2013 Shot Show and was well please for the support of a Campus Carry bill.
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