WA: Convenience store owner gets 8 years for shooting fleeing perp

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WA: Convenience store owner gets 8 years for shooting fleeing perp

Postby PackinPig » Sun Jun 25, 2017 7:51 am

http://q13fox.com/2017/06/23/spanaway-convenience-store-owner-sentenced-to-8-years-for-killing-shoplifter/
*Not LTC related, rather handgun related.*
Convenience store owner received 8 years for shooting fleeing perp.
Although there are numerous things the clerk did that probably made the situation worse, there are many good lessons to be learned from this situation. Here are a few of the main points I took from this situation:
1. Demonstrates the possible consequences of using deadly force, and how using your handgun may not be the best choice in every situation.
2. Example why you should never re-holster and re-engage the bad guy.
3. Consider what you have to lose emotionally and mentally vs physically.

After reading articles such as this I like to imagine myself in the clerk's shoes. I feel that going through scenarios that have actually happened and breaking them down keeps a person's mind sharp.
My first observation, as stated above, is that there are consequences in using your firearm. Regardless of, whether or not you were justified. You get dragged through court and are put through a grueling process and even if you are found not guilty of a criminal offense you can still be summoned to civil court. However, I'm not an attorney and will not go into legal ramifications.
My second point is that if I have a bad guy at gun point I would never holster and re-engage the suspect in a physical altercation. This is never a good idea (in my opinion) and can only lead to a bad ending. This brings me to my third and final point.
Although, situations such as this tend to move exceptionally fast and often many actions are the work of muscle memory, one should consider if what the bad guy is stealing is worth the consequences in the long run. The perp in this situation took a pack of cigarettes. Think of all the good things in your life (family, friends, hobbies, your future) and then question if it's worth throwing it all away for a pack of cigarettes.
These are my opinions and are simply to provoke thought.
Thank You :txflag:

This is the article involving the store owner's wife involved in a shooting incident at the same store back in February.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/02/22/female-clerk-opens-fire-on-alleged-armed-robber/
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Re: WA: Convenience store owner gets 8 years for shooting fleeing perp

Postby skeathley » Sun Jun 25, 2017 8:20 am

The real issue is that the store owner's life was not in jeopardy. Protection of property is already a thin justification, and is unlikely to be extended to a carton of cigs. He probably didn't still have them, anyway. No surprise here.

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Re: WA: Convenience store owner gets 8 years for shooting fleeing perp

Postby parabelum » Sun Jun 25, 2017 8:39 am

"The video shows Mason was able to free himself and attempted to flee the store. Kim stood up and removed the firearm from the holster, positioned himself behind Mason, raised the gun, and shot Mason twice in the back as Mason fled.

Mason collapsed in the doorway and died before medical aid arrived."

We all know that you shoot to stop the threat. When the threat begun to flee from him and got shot in the back, store owner became the aggressor.

He is lucky he didn't get more time.
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Postby PackinPig » Sun Jun 25, 2017 8:40 am

:iagree:
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Re: WA: Convenience store owner gets 8 years for shooting fleeing perp

Postby philip964 » Sun Jun 25, 2017 10:24 am

At night in Texas, if the robber was leaving with the cigarettes, he would be ok.

However, in Washington state I'm surprised he did not get life.

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Re: WA: Convenience store owner gets 8 years for shooting fleeing perp

Postby PackinPig » Sun Jun 25, 2017 10:50 am

philip964 wrote:At night in Texas, if the robber was leaving with the cigarettes, he would be ok.

However, in Washington state I'm surprised he did not get life.


You are right about the "Theft at night" but I still feel it isn't worth the backlash.
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Re: WA: Convenience store owner gets 8 years for shooting fleeing perp

Postby DEB » Sun Jun 25, 2017 12:57 pm

This is why I could never run a convenience store. To me a thief is one of the lowest forms of humanity. I would trust some murderers long before I would ever trust any thief; some killing I could understand, stealing never. Property often takes folks hours of hard work to obtain and to see someone walk off with it, might be hard to contain a reaction. So, no sympathy from me, whenever a thief looses his/her life, my sympathy goes to the convenience store owner and his or her family.
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Postby The Annoyed Man » Sun Jun 25, 2017 1:36 pm

PackinPig wrote:http://q13fox.com/2017/06/23/spanaway-convenience-store-owner-sentenced-to-8-years-for-killing-shoplifter/
*Not LTC related, rather handgun related.*
Convenience store owner received 8 years for shooting fleeing clerk.
Although there are numerous things the clerk did that probably made the situation worse, there are many good lessons to be learned from this situation. Here are a few of the main points I took from this situation:
1. Demonstrates the possible consequences of using deadly force, and how using your handgun may not be the best choice in every situation.
2. Example why you should never re-holster and re-engage the bad guy.
3. Consider what you have to lose emotionally and mentally vs physically.

After reading articles such as this I like to imagine myself in the clerk's shoes. I feel that going through scenarios that have actually happened and breaking them down keeps a person's mind sharp.
My first observation, as stated above, is that there are consequences in using your firearm. Regardless of, whether or not you were justified. You get dragged through court and are put through a grueling process and even if you are found not guilty of a criminal offense you can still be summoned to civil court. However, I'm not an attorney and will not go into legal ramifications.
My second point is that if I have a bad guy at gun point I would never holster and re-engage the suspect in a physical altercation. This is never a good idea (in my opinion) and can only lead to a bad ending. This brings me to my third and final point.
Although, situations such as this tend to move exceptionally fast and often many actions are the work of muscle memory, one should consider if what the bad guy is stealing is worth the consequences in the long run. The perp in this situation took a pack of cigarettes. Think of all the good things in your life (family, friends, hobbies, your future) and then question if it's worth throwing it all away for a pack of cigarettes.
These are my opinions and are simply to provoke thought.
Thank You :txflag:

This is the article involving the store owner's wife involved in a shooting incident at the same store back in February.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/02/22/female-clerk-opens-fire-on-alleged-armed-robber/

He shot the clerk? What is this.... My Cousin Vinny? :lol:
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Re: WA: Convenience store owner gets 8 years for shooting fleeing perp

Postby PackinPig » Mon Jun 26, 2017 7:15 am

The Annoyed Man wrote:
PackinPig wrote:http://q13fox.com/2017/06/23/spanaway-convenience-store-owner-sentenced-to-8-years-for-killing-shoplifter/
*Not LTC related, rather handgun related.*
Convenience store owner received 8 years for shooting fleeing clerk.
Although there are numerous things the clerk did that probably made the situation worse, there are many good lessons to be learned from this situation. Here are a few of the main points I took from this situation:
1. Demonstrates the possible consequences of using deadly force, and how using your handgun may not be the best choice in every situation.
2. Example why you should never re-holster and re-engage the bad guy.
3. Consider what you have to lose emotionally and mentally vs physically.

After reading articles such as this I like to imagine myself in the clerk's shoes. I feel that going through scenarios that have actually happened and breaking them down keeps a person's mind sharp.
My first observation, as stated above, is that there are consequences in using your firearm. Regardless of, whether or not you were justified. You get dragged through court and are put through a grueling process and even if you are found not guilty of a criminal offense you can still be summoned to civil court. However, I'm not an attorney and will not go into legal ramifications.
My second point is that if I have a bad guy at gun point I would never holster and re-engage the suspect in a physical altercation. This is never a good idea (in my opinion) and can only lead to a bad ending. This brings me to my third and final point.
Although, situations such as this tend to move exceptionally fast and often many actions are the work of muscle memory, one should consider if what the bad guy is stealing is worth the consequences in the long run. The perp in this situation took a pack of cigarettes. Think of all the good things in your life (family, friends, hobbies, your future) and then question if it's worth throwing it all away for a pack of cigarettes.
These are my opinions and are simply to provoke thought.
Thank You :txflag:

This is the article involving the store owner's wife involved in a shooting incident at the same store back in February.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/02/22/female-clerk-opens-fire-on-alleged-armed-robber/

He shot the clerk? What is this.... My Cousin Vinny? :lol:


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Re: WA: Convenience store owner gets 8 years for shooting fleeing perp

Postby bblhd672 » Mon Jun 26, 2017 10:02 am

I worked at a 7-11 back in the mid-70's - part of the training drilled into us was that nothing in the store was worth loosing your life over. Give robbers whatever they wanted without any provocation.
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Postby Soccerdad1995 » Wed Jun 28, 2017 12:32 pm

bblhd672 wrote:I worked at a 7-11 back in the mid-70's - part of the training drilled into us was that nothing in the store was worth loosing your life over. Give robbers whatever they wanted without any provocation.


Not my personal story, but funny nonetheless.

My brother was working as a clerk in a 7-11 along with his future wife (they hadn't even started dating at this point). It was a moonlighting job for my Bro as he was in the Army (yes, clearly a REMF).

Anyways, a large, intimidating looking man filled his car with gas, then walked into the store, went straight to the beer cooler, grabbed a case of beer with each hand and proceeded to walk straight to the door. My future SIL started to say something, and by brother promptly made it clear to her that she should remain quiet at that moment. The guy left, police were called, and a report was filled out. The store lost $40 worth of gas and beer, and no one was harmed. All in all, a very good outcome.
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