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Would you shoot?

Postby Wmsnider » Thu Jun 30, 2016 10:52 am

What would you do in this situation? Would you as a licensed LTC holder shoot at this guy (if it were Texas). Seems like immanent danger to me. But its a PVC pipe, so is it life-threatening?

http://www.khou.com/news/nation-now/vid ... /260648432


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Re: Would you shoot?

Postby Beiruty » Thu Jun 30, 2016 10:57 am

He was charged with aggravated assault. In Texas, that justifies the use of deadly force.
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Re: Would you shoot?

Postby Jusme » Thu Jun 30, 2016 10:58 am

Yep!

PVC pipe is still hard enough to cause serious bodily injury or death. I hope I never have to make that call, but I won't stand idly by while he attacks me or mine, or even other innocents.JMHO
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Re: Would you shoot?

Postby RoyGBiv » Thu Jun 30, 2016 11:08 am

Depends. I'd be very likely to draw.

If I was with my kids, maybe. Could we escape?
If he was going after one of my kids, more likely. Again, I would prefer us all to escape.
If he was coming at me and I was alone? Not likely. Seemed like a drug rage with a plastic pipe. I can run.

If I ran and was pursued? Hard to know.... would prefer to escape rather than shoot.

Not worth the hassle of shooting a random drug crazy if I can evade them, vs having to live with the legal and emotional repercussions of shooting someone. That changes immediately if I'm cornered and feel that I'm in imminent danger of grave bodily harm.

That nut looked avoidable. YMMV
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Re: Would you shoot?

Postby Wmsnider » Thu Jun 30, 2016 11:25 am

RoyGBiv, I think i am with you on this one.

I probably would have just ran off.

If he came up behind me and I was with my wife and he smacked her in the head, I probably would be more likely to take care of business.
Or if the pipe sheared and he was trying to stab me with the jagged pipe.
But I don't necessarily think the guy deserved to be killed in this instance.
I thought it was a great border-line scenario for discussion. Would it stand up in court if you did shoot in this exact case?....maybe so, by the book. Morally...probably not worth it.


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Re: Would you shoot?

Postby Soccerdad1995 » Thu Jun 30, 2016 11:27 am

First choice is to escape if possible. If I am not able to escape with my family for some reason then I would shoot to stop the threat. I won't shoot just to protect someone I don't know, but that's just my personal decision.
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Re: Would you shoot?

Postby TresHuevos » Thu Jun 30, 2016 11:31 am

I have often seen the bases of PVC target stands filled with cement for stability. Would you know if that PVC pipe is hollow or not? Create as much distance as possible but if that's not working it's time to TCB.
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Re: Would you shoot?

Postby Charles L. Cotton » Thu Jun 30, 2016 11:35 am

I assumed it was a short piece of PVC, but that's not the case. It looked to be almost a full joint of at least 1 1/4" and since it didn't flex much, it was likely at least schedule 40 if not 80. Swinging a long PVC pipe like that could very well kill you or cause serious permanent injury, if hit in the head or neck. At my age with a questionable right knee, running away wouldn't be an option. Might have to call that one suicide by old fart.

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Re: Would you shoot?

Postby parabelum » Thu Jun 30, 2016 11:42 am

Coming at me with pipe, swinging like a wild animal and trying to harm and/or kill me? I'd do whatever it takes to stop the threat.
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Re: Would you shoot?

Postby parabelum » Thu Jun 30, 2016 11:47 am

Charles L. Cotton wrote:At may age with a questionable right knee, running away wouldn't be an option. Might have to call that one suicide by old fart.

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Something to ponder on, for all the youngsters out there. Old farts are not going to be in good mood and are likely to make you have a really bad day if you try and mess with them. :tiphat:
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Re: Would you shoot?

Postby C-dub » Thu Jun 30, 2016 12:23 pm

Beiruty wrote:He was charged with aggravated assault. In Texas, that justifies the use of deadly force.

There you go.

Attacking me or my family like that will get you shot.

If I were a passerby and witnessed this I would be a little slower on the trigger, but would probably draw, while making sure he was not coming after my family if they were with me.
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Re: Would you shoot?

Postby Kenneth77 » Thu Jun 30, 2016 12:25 pm

He would be either in the hospital or dead if i was in the place , running only leaves other to deal with it and if i was with my family i would do it quicker and take out the threat to protect them not run away !
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Re: Would you shoot?

Postby nyj » Thu Jun 30, 2016 12:25 pm

Only if he's coming at me.

Dude who got hit should have fought back.


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Re: Would you shoot?

Postby Pig Renter » Thu Jun 30, 2016 12:32 pm

I watched this video once and then immediately began to answer: NO! I absolutely wouldn't have shot.

But then I watched a second time, this time the complete original video and I changed my mind.

This man came all the way from across the street, unprovoked, and randomly launched into his victims. One victim was struck, began to retreat, fell to the ground and he was chased after and struck again and chased after again.

So there could be two questions:

1) In Texas, would shooting him be justified? - I'd argue yes.
2) Would I have shot him? - I definitely would have if I had the right presence of mind to react quickly enough, especially if I thought me or others were still in danger.

But it seems that in hindsight, this particular situation worked out for the "best" since no one was seriously hurt, shot, or killed. Plus the attacker might be mentally ill.

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Re: Would you shoot?

Postby OldCurlyWolf » Thu Jun 30, 2016 12:38 pm

Charles L. Cotton wrote:I assumed it was a short piece of PVC, but that's not the case. It looked to be almost a full joint of at least 1 1/4" and since it didn't flex much, it was likely at least schedule 40 if not 80. Swinging a long PVC pipe like that could very well kill you or cause serious permanent injury, if hit in the head or neck. At may age with a questionable right knee, running away wouldn't be an option. Might have to call that one suicide by old fart.

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