HB 560 - Holy Grail?

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Re: HB 560 - Holy Grail?

Postby terrymixon » Tue Mar 28, 2017 9:28 pm

tomtexan wrote:
terrymixon wrote:
Our lawmakers better start delivering or we'll start getting more democrats elected because we're tired of being denied.

Wait. What?

You think for one minute that Democrats aren't going to deny what we want?

Maybe I am misunderstanding something. :headscratch


Of course not. I just expect our side to do more than blow hot air.


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Re: HB 560 - Holy Grail?

Postby twomillenium » Tue Mar 28, 2017 9:30 pm

tomtexan wrote:
terrymixon wrote:
Our lawmakers better start delivering or we'll start getting more democrats elected because we're tired of being denied.

Wait. What?

You think for one minute that Democrats aren't going to deny what we want?

Maybe I am misunderstanding something. :headscratch

We need to challenge and replace the RHINOS with support of new blood at the primary level, even if they are not in your district!
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Re: HB 560 - Holy Grail?

Postby terrymixon » Tue Mar 28, 2017 10:34 pm

twomillenium wrote:
tomtexan wrote:
terrymixon wrote:
Our lawmakers better start delivering or we'll start getting more democrats elected because we're tired of being denied.

Wait. What?

You think for one minute that Democrats aren't going to deny what we want?

Maybe I am misunderstanding something. :headscratch

We need to challenge and replace the RHINOS with support of new blood at the primary level, even if they are not in your district!


Hard to do when they avoid taking a vote and then tell us they fought hard for it. We have no way to know any different.

I'm sure some of them did fight for it. Others will keep quiet while they kill it and whisper sweet nothings in our ears.

We need to start holding their feet to the fire. If they aren't fighting loudly for what we want, then we have to assume they had different ideas.

I know I'm just bitter, but I'm tired of being lied to by legislators that think I'm a sheep and will vote for them no matter how long they drag their feet.

Elections matter. Sooner or later, we'll lose seats in the senate and then we won't get squat passed. How long do we have to tolerate being led around by these people?

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Re: HB 560 - Holy Grail?

Postby Beiruty » Wed Mar 29, 2017 12:48 am

I did not want to comment again, but in next elections, each nominee would be asked would you co-author and sponsor HB 560?
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Re: HB 560 - Holy Grail?

Postby KC5AV » Wed Mar 29, 2017 11:25 am

terrymixon wrote:
twomillenium wrote:
tomtexan wrote:
terrymixon wrote:
Our lawmakers better start delivering or we'll start getting more democrats elected because we're tired of being denied.

Wait. What?

You think for one minute that Democrats aren't going to deny what we want?

Maybe I am misunderstanding something. :headscratch

We need to challenge and replace the RHINOS with support of new blood at the primary level, even if they are not in your district!


Hard to do when they avoid taking a vote and then tell us they fought hard for it. We have no way to know any different.

I'm sure some of them did fight for it. Others will keep quiet while they kill it and whisper sweet nothings in our ears.

We need to start holding their feet to the fire. If they aren't fighting loudly for what we want, then we have to assume they had different ideas.

I know I'm just bitter, but I'm tired of being lied to by legislators that think I'm a sheep and will vote for them no matter how long they drag their feet.

Elections matter. Sooner or later, we'll lose seats in the senate and then we won't get squat passed. How long do we have to tolerate being led around by these people?

We also have to keep a couple of things in mind:

1. They have a lot of stuff to do, other than just pass or kill gun bills (I know there is a very short list of things that the constitution requires them to address).
2. As gun owners, we are a very small percentage of the population.
3. As activist gun owners, we are a very small percentage of a very small percentage of the population.

It's all fine and good to be upset (even angry), but don't lose sight of the fact that we have to work within the system that exists.
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Re: HB 560 - Holy Grail?

Postby Ruark » Wed Mar 29, 2017 1:33 pm

They have a lot of stuff to do, other than just pass or kill gun bills


Yeah, this is something a lot of people lose sight of. Skim through this list of filed House bills. Note the topics.

http://www.legis.state.tx.us/Reports/Re ... housefiled

We're just a drop in the bucket. And almost EVERY ONE of the bills in that list has supporters who think it's the most important piece of legislation, and they're calling and writing and petitioning to get it passed, just like we are with 560, 375, etc. Things like commercial oyster boat management, powdered alcohol, sales tax exemption for adult diapers, raw milk regulation, AIDS education........

Keep that in mind; it sort of puts things in perspective.
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Re: HB 560 - Holy Grail?

Postby warpdrive » Wed Mar 29, 2017 5:55 pm

They look like they have plenty of time. viewtopic.php?f=141&t=88284
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Re: HB 560 - Holy Grail?

Postby twomillenium » Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:49 pm

Would not the fact that they have a lot to do, justify getting right to work instead of wasting the first quarter of the session with parties and declarations and sing Happy Birthday to someone's kid?
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Re: HB 560 - Holy Grail?

Postby mojo84 » Wed Mar 29, 2017 10:05 pm

They'll get to what the leadership wants, nothing more, nothing less.


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Re: HB 560 - Holy Grail?

Postby seph » Wed Mar 29, 2017 10:57 pm

But they put the leadership in place.

Where I currently live, I do not have a choice in my vote as I am trying to get democrats out of office. But we all need to review our reps voting record and bill support when primaries come around again.

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Re: HB 560 - Holy Grail?

Postby KC5AV » Thu Mar 30, 2017 12:07 pm

They'll get to what the leadership wants, nothing more, nothing less.

Exactly right.

But they put the leadership in place.

Where I currently live, I do not have a choice in my vote as I am trying to get democrats out of office. But we all need to review our reps voting record and bill support when primaries come around again.

Unfortunately, that is work that has to be done between sessions. During the session (and before), we have to be about the business of letting our reps know what is important to us, even if it isn't important to them. Additionally, we need to get those around us to do the same.
  • Contact your local gun store if they have a social media presence. Get them to help spread the word about pending legislation.
  • Get your own social media presence.
  • Talk to gun owners around you. As I said in a previous post, we (activist gun owners) are a small percentage of a small percentage of the population.
  • If you know people who are on the fence about gun ownership/rights, invite them to the range.
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Re: HB 560 - Holy Grail?

Postby Lambda Force » Sun Apr 09, 2017 3:20 pm

Politicians who don't vote for HB 560 this year make it very difficult to vote for them next year.
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Re: HB 560 - Holy Grail?

Postby tbrown » Sun Apr 09, 2017 8:04 pm

NotRPB wrote:Tuesday, April 11, They have time to hear Bad Bills in Committee
http://myemail.constantcontact.com/Tuesday--April-11--Bad-Bills-in-Committee.html?soid=1102359439632&aid=WtBksCcPQp8

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Re: HB 560 - Holy Grail?

Postby bigtek » Sat May 13, 2017 12:16 pm

TexasCajun wrote:The whole argument for 560 is that licensed carriers have earned the reduction of off limits places.

LTC are more law abiding than LEO for 20+ years. I wonder the real reason 560 was killed.

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