HB 560 - Holy Grail?

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Re: HB 560 - Holy Grail?

Postby Lambda Force » Sat May 13, 2017 10:49 pm

Beiruty wrote:I did not want to comment again, but in next elections, each nominee would be asked would you co-author and sponsor HB 560?

Why bother when we already know who did or didn't sign on to HB 560 this year?
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Re: HB 560 - Holy Grail?

Postby Liberty » Sun May 14, 2017 6:31 am

We really don't know! 560 was silently and pretty anonymously killed. Was killed by the homeland security committee. The rest of the lege didn't get a chance to take a stand. The problem with the process is that the state reps have almost complete plausible deniability. They can claim one position behave contrary to it and then claim it was beyond their control. A Texas State Reps decisions and actions are often more about positioning and politicking than it is about real issues. This is why gun bills, if they get to the open floor, always get approved by large margins but have such a difficult time actually getting put to an open vote.
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Re: HB 560 - Holy Grail?

Postby Lambda Force » Sun May 14, 2017 9:16 am

They didn't vote on the floor. That's true.

But Beruity proposed asking each candidate at election time if they would co-author or sponsor a bill similar to HB 560. I think that is unnecessary and possibly misleading. What politicians say to get our votes doesn't always match what they do in office. A better indication of where they stand is whether or not they signed on as a co-author or sponsor to HB 560 this session.
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Re: HB 560 - Holy Grail?

Postby Ruark » Sun May 14, 2017 1:02 pm

Lambda Force wrote:They didn't vote on the floor. That's true.

But Beruity proposed asking each candidate at election time if they would co-author or sponsor a bill similar to HB 560. I think that is unnecessary and possibly misleading. What politicians say to get our votes doesn't always match what they do in office. A better indication of where they stand is whether or not they signed on as a co-author or sponsor to HB 560 this session.


This is part of what frustrates me. Even if we DO round up all these supportive sponsors, endorsers, etc. in the legislature, it still just takes one person to sink it.
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Re: HB 560 - Holy Grail?

Postby canvasbck » Mon May 15, 2017 8:56 am

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Lambda Force wrote:They didn't vote on the floor. That's true.

But Beruity proposed asking each candidate at election time if they would co-author or sponsor a bill similar to HB 560. I think that is unnecessary and possibly misleading. What politicians say to get our votes doesn't always match what they do in office. A better indication of where they stand is whether or not they signed on as a co-author or sponsor to HB 560 this session.


This is part of what frustrates me. Even if we DO round up all these supportive sponsors, endorsers, etc. in the legislature, it still just takes one person to sink it.


This is what is wrong in Austin and in Washington!!

It is impossible to target those who are adept at killing bills quietly without also throwing bombs at those who were friendly to us behind the scenes. For all we know (and will ever know) it could have been a co-author who took part in killing it as part of a deal to get support on other legislation.
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Re: HB 560 - Holy Grail?

Postby omegaman » Mon May 15, 2017 12:52 pm

I'm really looking forward to reading Charles' summary of the sausage making this session, when it's all said and done.


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Re: HB 560 - Holy Grail?

Postby Boxerrider » Mon May 15, 2017 10:00 pm

Liberty wrote:We really don't know! 560 was silently and pretty anonymously killed. Was killed by the homeland security committee. The rest of the lege didn't get a chance to take a stand. The problem with the process is that the state reps have almost complete plausible deniability. They can claim one position behave contrary to it and then claim it was beyond their control. A Texas State Reps decisions and actions are often more about positioning and politicking than it is about real issues. This is why gun bills, if they get to the open floor, always get approved by large margins but have such a difficult time actually getting put to an open vote.


I emailed my representative, J. D. Sheffield, about it last spring and never received a reply. That tells me where he stands.

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Re: HB 560 - Holy Grail?

Postby Lambda Force » Tue May 16, 2017 10:23 pm

Boxerrider wrote:I emailed my representative, J. D. Sheffield, about it last spring and never received a reply. That tells me where he stands.

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Re: HB 560 - Holy Grail?

Postby ScottDLS » Fri May 19, 2017 10:02 am

I think we need to take a page from the US Congress, and name our bills like HB560 something very patriotic and law enforcement friendly, regardless of the contents of the bill.

HB560 - Saving First Responders Lives by Empowering Honest Texans Act
HB1911 - Restoring Civil Rights to Minorities Act
SB349 - Providing Safe Educational Environment Act
SB88 - Improving Stoplight Safety to Save the Children Act
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Re: HB 560 - Holy Grail?

Postby CleverNickname » Fri May 19, 2017 10:40 am

HJR (whatever) - The Every Child Should Have a Cute Puppy or Kitten Act - modifies Article 1, Section 23 of the Texas Constitution to remove the phrase "but the Legislature shall have power, by law, to regulate the wearing of arms, with a view to prevent crime.”


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Re: HB 560 - Holy Grail?

Postby Papa_Tiger » Fri May 19, 2017 11:23 am

CleverNickname wrote:HJR (whatever) - The Every Child Should Have a Cute Puppy or Kitten Act - modifies Article 1, Section 23 of the Texas Constitution to remove the phrase "but the Legislature shall have power, by law, to regulate the wearing of arms, with a view to prevent crime.”
Be careful what you wish for there. That has been used to ensure that the Legislature and ONLY the Legislature has that power. Otherwise cities would be free to create their own ordinances and regulations regulating the wearing of arms.

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Re: HB 560 - Holy Grail?

Postby ScottDLS » Fri May 19, 2017 11:53 am

Papa_Tiger wrote:
CleverNickname wrote:HJR (whatever) - The Every Child Should Have a Cute Puppy or Kitten Act - modifies Article 1, Section 23 of the Texas Constitution to remove the phrase "but the Legislature shall have power, by law, to regulate the wearing of arms, with a view to prevent crime.”
Be careful what you wish for there. That has been used to ensure that the Legislature and ONLY the Legislature has that power. Otherwise cities would be free to create their own ordinances and regulations regulating the wearing of arms.


Except that they are preempted by State law from doing so and removing the Legislature's specific grant of power to regulate, doesn't seem to make counties and municipalities able to do so. That is if they haven't found that power somewhere in the other 199 pages of the Texas Constitution. :biggrinjester:
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Re: HB 560 - Holy Grail?

Postby locke_n_load » Fri May 19, 2017 12:07 pm

CleverNickname wrote:HJR (whatever) - The Every Child Should Have a Cute Puppy or Kitten Act - modifies Article 1, Section 23 of the Texas Constitution to remove the phrase "but the Legislature shall have power, by law, to regulate the wearing of arms, with a view to prevent crime.”


I wonder when that clause was added to the Texas Constitution - something tells me it was not in there originally... and whoever added it was a liar (it's always about control, not crime).
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Re: HB 560 - Holy Grail?

Postby G.A. Heath » Fri May 19, 2017 12:41 pm

locke_n_load wrote:
CleverNickname wrote:HJR (whatever) - The Every Child Should Have a Cute Puppy or Kitten Act - modifies Article 1, Section 23 of the Texas Constitution to remove the phrase "but the Legislature shall have power, by law, to regulate the wearing of arms, with a view to prevent crime.”


I wonder when that clause was added to the Texas Constitution - something tells me it was not in there originally... and whoever added it was a liar (it's always about control, not crime).

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Re: HB 560 - Holy Grail?

Postby RoyGBiv » Fri May 19, 2017 5:25 pm

So does the collective applaude or condemn the actions of the House Freedom Caucus this week?
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