HB56. Who does it apply too?

This forum will be open on Sept. 1, 2016.

Moderators: Keith B, Charles L. Cotton, carlson1


SewTexas
Senior Member
Posts: 2578
Joined: Wed Dec 22, 2010 11:52 pm
Location: San Antonio area

Re: HB56. Who does it apply too?

Postby SewTexas » Sat Dec 31, 2016 12:52 am

Charles L. Cotton wrote:I wonder if H&S Code §161.001(1-a)(B) would apply to a ham operator providing emergency communications on-scene? Subsection (B) is quite broad and vague.

Chas.



that could apply to anyone....heck, during the Loma Prieta quake, the Boy Scouts were out helping direct traffic at intersections.
~Tracy
Barracktose Intolerant

User avatar

RoyGBiv
Senior Member
Posts: 6480
Joined: Wed Jan 05, 2011 11:41 am
Location: Fort Worth

Re: HB56. Who does it apply too?

Postby RoyGBiv » Sun Jan 01, 2017 9:20 am

My volunteer group was called out to help following the Garland/Rockwall tornadoes last Christmas. During our work I need to use the rest room. Eventually I was pointed to a blacked out elementary school and told to "bring a flashlight and follow the signs on the wall".

Am I a felon? Or was that "necessity"?
I am not a lawyer. This is NOT legal advice.!
Image
Nothing tempers idealism quite like the cold bath of reality.... SQLGeek

User avatar

Daddio-on-patio
Member
Posts: 129
Joined: Wed Jan 13, 2016 2:00 pm
Location: Fort Worth area

Re: HB56. Who does it apply too?

Postby Daddio-on-patio » Sun Jan 01, 2017 3:41 pm

My opinion this would not apply to hospital staff. They are definitive care not first responders.
Working in rural EMS it is very often only myself and my partner arriving on scene in what can be sketchy circumstances. Many of my coworkers are LTC'ers and we have SOP's allowing us to carry on duty. However, that is terminated at the ED doors as the vast majority are 06-07's. So we disarm and secure with a lock box in the MICU. That being said, not all who are LTC do so due to the potential of working a busy call, not disarming when entering a facility, and being a test case.
I have spoke with three different retired officers (two Fort Worth, one Arlington) that provide initial classes for LTC and a retired Dallas detective that is in proper retirement mode (fishing. A lot!) They seem to think there is no need for a uniformed first responder in the line of duty to carry. Our County deputies and the couple of paid department officers are overwhelming supportive of us carrying. Rural EMS and law enforcement is a different environment from the more urban and suburban locations which tend to have much quicker response times with larger numbers of responders along with increased capabilities.

I would like to have the legal ability to carry on duty. And for those who have not scene a firefighter armed I would suggest you meet with a fire Marshall. Many of them are TCLEOSE, badge, and armed.

Peace for the New Year.
Ephesians 6:12 NKJV

12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age,[a] against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.

User avatar

Topic author
nightmare69
Senior Member
Posts: 1912
Joined: Thu Feb 21, 2013 9:03 pm
Location: East Texas

Re: HB56. Who does it apply too?

Postby nightmare69 » Sun Jan 01, 2017 5:13 pm

Daddio-on-patio wrote:My opinion this would not apply to hospital staff. They are definitive care not first responders.
Working in rural EMS it is very often only myself and my partner arriving on scene in what can be sketchy circumstances. Many of my coworkers are LTC'ers and we have SOP's allowing us to carry on duty. However, that is terminated at the ED doors as the vast majority are 06-07's. So we disarm and secure with a lock box in the MICU. That being said, not all who are LTC do so due to the potential of working a busy call, not disarming when entering a facility, and being a test case.
I have spoke with three different retired officers (two Fort Worth, one Arlington) that provide initial classes for LTC and a retired Dallas detective that is in proper retirement mode (fishing. A lot!) They seem to think there is no need for a uniformed first responder in the line of duty to carry. Our County deputies and the couple of paid department officers are overwhelming supportive of us carrying. Rural EMS and law enforcement is a different environment from the more urban and suburban locations which tend to have much quicker response times with larger numbers of responders along with increased capabilities.

I would like to have the legal ability to carry on duty. And for those who have not scene a firefighter armed I would suggest you meet with a fire Marshall. Many of them are TCLEOSE, badge, and armed.

Peace for the New Year.


Fire Marshalls and investigators are not the ones putting on bunker gear dragging hoses into burning buildings either. I wouldn't want to expose live ammo to extreme heat. If I had go go into a fire I would dump my firearm and extra mags before doing so.
2/26-Mailed paper app and packet.
5/20-Plastic in hand.
83 days mailbox to mailbox.

User avatar

Liberty
Senior Member
Posts: 4852
Joined: Mon Jul 03, 2006 8:49 pm
Location: Galveston
Contact:

Re: HB56. Who does it apply too?

Postby Liberty » Sun Jan 01, 2017 5:57 pm

nightmare69 wrote:
Fire Marshalls and investigators are not the ones putting on bunker gear dragging hoses into burning buildings either. I wouldn't want to expose live ammo to extreme heat. If I had go go into a fire I would dump my firearm and extra mags before doing so.


I would think that to be enough hot to cook off a round would be more than enough to cook the firefighter, although I am not willing to be the guinea pig to prove my theory.
Liberty''s Blog
"Today, we need a nation of Minutemen, citizens who are not only prepared to take arms, but citizens who regard the preservation of freedom as the basic purpose of their daily life and who are willing to consciously work and sacrifice for that freedom." John F. Kennedy

User avatar

SRO1911
Senior Member
Posts: 596
Joined: Wed May 02, 2012 10:31 pm
Location: Abilene, TX

Re: HB56. Who does it apply too?

Postby SRO1911 » Mon Jan 02, 2017 12:12 am

Liberty wrote:
nightmare69 wrote:
Fire Marshalls and investigators are not the ones putting on bunker gear dragging hoses into burning buildings either. I wouldn't want to expose live ammo to extreme heat. If I had go go into a fire I would dump my firearm and extra mags before doing so.


I would think that to be enough hot to cook off a round would be more than enough to cook the firefighter, although I am not willing to be the guinea pig to prove my theory.



I have been in a few, and while there is nothing cool about bunker gear - if its hot enough to cook off anything, you've already lost.

I carry on the majority of the calls I run. As a volly, 90 percent of our runs are medicals not fires - we closed the year at around 200 calls. Having a gun has been a problem exactly 4 times, the other 196 it was not a necessary part of my kit but there have been at least a dozen where it was nice to know I had 14 230 on tap.
Of the 4 that were problematic, 2 involved responding to schools, and 2 involved jumping in the back of an ambulance and riding in with codes.
For the school calls I was able to use the nanovault in my truck before grabbing the engine. For the other 2, one I had another officer draw and take it back to the station for me (Hands were otherwise occupied) - not something I care to repeat. The other is best left undetailed.
When any govt, or church,says This you can't read, are forbidden to know, the result is tyranny and oppression. Little force is needed to control a man who has been hoodwinked; no force can control a free man, not the rack, bombs, not anything, you can't conquer a free man, at most you can kill him.

User avatar

Liberty
Senior Member
Posts: 4852
Joined: Mon Jul 03, 2006 8:49 pm
Location: Galveston
Contact:

Re: HB56. Who does it apply too?

Postby Liberty » Mon Jan 02, 2017 8:08 am

Back in the day, I was a volunteer but I wasn't packing back then. We had a quick police and a separate and efficient Emergency Medical team. We really didn't lack for security. We did have a couple of LEOs with us who conceal carried when off duty, They bunkered up with their weapons on. Never heard of a case of firefighter Glock Leg. They had 4 choices.
1. Not to go to any fires
2. Disarm themselves in their Vehicle at the station. Cars at the Fire station was easy targets for vandals.
3. Leave the gun unsecure at the station or in the Truck
4. Take it with them. The easiest safest solution.

Disarming would have lead to wasting precious seconds, and risked leaving the weapons unsecured.
Liberty''s Blog
"Today, we need a nation of Minutemen, citizens who are not only prepared to take arms, but citizens who regard the preservation of freedom as the basic purpose of their daily life and who are willing to consciously work and sacrifice for that freedom." John F. Kennedy


TreyHouston
Senior Member
Posts: 639
Joined: Fri Feb 19, 2016 5:00 pm
Location: Tomball

Re: HB56. Who does it apply too?

Postby TreyHouston » Mon Jan 02, 2017 11:11 am

I hear on the MSM (scary news) that first responders have and are being targeted. Although not often, they are. Also, yall are put in some pretty shady situations. IMO, I support this 100%.
"Jump in there sport, get it done and we'll all sing your praises." -Chas

How many times a day could you say this? :cheers2:

User avatar

Jusme
Senior Member
Posts: 2623
Joined: Tue Jan 19, 2016 4:23 pm
Location: Johnson County, Texas

Re: HB56. Who does it apply too?

Postby Jusme » Mon Jan 02, 2017 11:31 am

TreyHouston wrote:I hear on the MSM (scary news) that first responders have and are being targeted. Although not often, they are. Also, yall are put in some pretty shady situations. IMO, I support this 100%.



They are targeted, sometimes they are the first on the scene of a domestic disturbance and someone will shoot at the first set of flashing lights they see. Firefighters have been specifically targeted in places like Detroit when arsonists would set fire to buildings and shoot at the responding firefighters. Although I was too young to remember, I read that the same thing happened in LA during the Watts riots. Not to mention, almost any time they are called there may be people who are combative, armed, and mentally imbalanced, who pose a direct threat to their safety. Being able to be armed, for first responders is, to me,a no brainer. JMHO
Take away the Second first, and the First is gone in a second :rules: :patriot:


Papa_Tiger
Senior Member
Posts: 332
Joined: Fri May 24, 2013 9:55 am

Re: HB56. Who does it apply too?

Postby Papa_Tiger » Mon Jan 02, 2017 11:34 am

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nati ... t/1788917/

This is one of the most recent ones to hit the national news. I'm sure there have been others, but this one stood out to me.

User avatar

SRO1911
Senior Member
Posts: 596
Joined: Wed May 02, 2012 10:31 pm
Location: Abilene, TX

Re: HB56. Who does it apply too?

Postby SRO1911 » Mon Jan 02, 2017 12:11 pm

Papa_Tiger wrote:http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2012/12/24/webster-new-york-firefighter-shot/1788917/

This is one of the most recent ones to hit the national news. I'm sure there have been others, but this one stood out to me.



Just one of many.
I know first hand several metro area fire and ambulance services either provide or authorize body armor - although the thought of wearing kevlar under turnouts makes my knees and back grumble :nono: unrepeatable things.
When any govt, or church,says This you can't read, are forbidden to know, the result is tyranny and oppression. Little force is needed to control a man who has been hoodwinked; no force can control a free man, not the rack, bombs, not anything, you can't conquer a free man, at most you can kill him.

User avatar

parabelum
Senior Member
Posts: 1292
Joined: Mon Dec 21, 2015 12:22 pm
Location: Hood County

Re: HB56. Who does it apply too?

Postby parabelum » Mon Jan 02, 2017 12:16 pm

Depends on each dept. policy and how aggressive the dept.is, especially vol.

Our vol. dept. is very dynamic and we run lots of calls, spanning 4 counties. For me it would not be too practical to carry.

Issue is with ROM while on MVA with extrication, structure fires with interior ops, fast moving wildland fires, EMS calls with very large patients where heavy lifting is imminent.

Might work for some, not for me here.

We closed 2016 with 550 calls.

User avatar

carlson1
Moderator
Posts: 8458
Joined: Sat Dec 03, 2005 1:11 am

Re: HB56. Who does it apply too?

Postby carlson1 » Mon Jan 02, 2017 12:44 pm

I know DFD is buying ballistic vest for their firefighters. I have also seen on the news many FD's are buying vest for firefighters.

I think they should have the right to carry. Obviously I am not fireman or never have I ever been a firemen. I have answered a couple of calls (LEO) of house fires and I have never heard anyone speaking of rounds cooking off. I am sure it is possible, but must not be very often.
Image


TreyHouston
Senior Member
Posts: 639
Joined: Fri Feb 19, 2016 5:00 pm
Location: Tomball

Re: HB56. Who does it apply too?

Postby TreyHouston » Mon Jan 02, 2017 2:27 pm

carlson1 wrote:I know DFD is buying ballistic vest for their firefighters. I have also seen on the news many FD's are buying vest for firefighters.

I think they should have the right to carry. Obviously I am not fireman or never have I ever been a firemen. I have answered a couple of calls (LEO) of house fires and I have never heard anyone speaking of rounds cooking off. I am sure it is possible, but must not be very often.


When I hear of fallen firefighters, I do not hear of their Cross on their neck melting, or the kind of socks melting either. Rounds cooking off don't really have any risk of hurting anyone. Plus, I am sure during a house fire it is very hard to hear them anyways. I am sure there is a lot of (pops) during a house or any kind of fire.
The story is on the lost Firefighter, just where it should be. :tiphat:
"Jump in there sport, get it done and we'll all sing your praises." -Chas

How many times a day could you say this? :cheers2:

User avatar

parabelum
Senior Member
Posts: 1292
Joined: Mon Dec 21, 2015 12:22 pm
Location: Hood County

Re: HB56. Who does it apply too?

Postby parabelum » Mon Jan 02, 2017 2:44 pm

TreyHouston wrote:
carlson1 wrote:I know DFD is buying ballistic vest for their firefighters. I have also seen on the news many FD's are buying vest for firefighters.

I think they should have the right to carry. Obviously I am not fireman or never have I ever been a firemen. I have answered a couple of calls (LEO) of house fires and I have never heard anyone speaking of rounds cooking off. I am sure it is possible, but must not be very often.


When I hear of fallen firefighters, I do not hear of their Cross on their neck melting, or the kind of socks melting either. Rounds cooking off don't really have any risk of hurting anyone. Plus, I am sure during a house fire it is very hard to hear them anyways. I am sure there is a lot of (pops) during a house or any kind of fire.
The story is on the lost Firefighter, just where it should be. :tiphat:


:iagree:

Heart attacks, accident enroute and structural collapse are big ones.


Return to “2017 Texas Legislative Session”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest