Bills legalizing knuckle possession?

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Re: Bills legalizing knuckle possession?

Postby locke_n_load » Mon Jan 09, 2017 5:07 pm

ScottDLS wrote:
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RossA wrote:Where did the idea come from that you can carry a sword if you have your gun with a LTC?


Texas penal code 46.02 is the part that states that carrying an "illegal knife" (includes knives over 5.5", swords, etc.) is illegal.
Section 46.15 (b)(6) states that 46.02 is not applicable to a license holder carrying their handgun.


ETA: there is a documented case of not beating the ride on this though.


But did they beat the "rap"? :smilelol5:


Actually yes. Case was dropped, but only after he spent around $5,000 on attorney fees.
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Re: Bills legalizing knuckle possession?

Postby locke_n_load » Mon Jan 09, 2017 5:09 pm

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RossA wrote:Where did the idea come from that you can carry a sword if you have your gun with a LTC?


Texas penal code 46.02 is the part that states that carrying an "illegal knife" (includes knives over 5.5", swords, etc.) is illegal.
Section 46.15 (b)(6) states that 46.02 is not applicable to a license holder carrying their handgun.


ETA: there is a documented case of not beating the ride on this though.


So I can carry 9 handguns...but no swords? I guess battleaxes are out too. :biggrinjester:


If you are carrying your 9 handguns with your LTC in public, you could technically carry a sword. Battleaxes would probably fall under that category as well. But again, a lot of cops might now be knowledgeable on that information, so I personally would not try it.
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Re: Bills legalizing knuckle possession?

Postby steveincowtown » Mon Jan 09, 2017 5:28 pm

locke_n_load wrote:
ScottDLS wrote:
locke_n_load wrote:
locke_n_load wrote:
RossA wrote:Where did the idea come from that you can carry a sword if you have your gun with a LTC?


Texas penal code 46.02 is the part that states that carrying an "illegal knife" (includes knives over 5.5", swords, etc.) is illegal.
Section 46.15 (b)(6) states that 46.02 is not applicable to a license holder carrying their handgun.


ETA: there is a documented case of not beating the ride on this though.


But did they beat the "rap"? :smilelol5:


Actually yes. Case was dropped, but only after he spent around $5,000 on attorney fees.


What city/county?
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Re: Bills legalizing knuckle possession?

Postby locke_n_load » Mon Jan 09, 2017 5:36 pm

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locke_n_load wrote:
ScottDLS wrote:
locke_n_load wrote:
locke_n_load wrote:
RossA wrote:Where did the idea come from that you can carry a sword if you have your gun with a LTC?


Texas penal code 46.02 is the part that states that carrying an "illegal knife" (includes knives over 5.5", swords, etc.) is illegal.
Section 46.15 (b)(6) states that 46.02 is not applicable to a license holder carrying their handgun.


ETA: there is a documented case of not beating the ride on this though.


But did they beat the "rap"? :smilelol5:


Actually yes. Case was dropped, but only after he spent around $5,000 on attorney fees.


What city/county?


At the capitol actually.
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Re: Bills legalizing knuckle possession?

Postby Jusme » Mon Jan 09, 2017 5:53 pm

These issues may be important to others, but my thoughts are, I'm too old to get out and mix it up in a fist fight, I have no desire to learn to use a sword as a defensive weapon, and so the push to legalize these items, no matter how ridiculous the original intent for their prohibition, is not a major concern for me.
I agree that if you are legally able to carry a gun, outlawing these other things seems silly, but I am not going to push my representatives to waste a lot of time to remove the prohibitions.
If I have to use deadly force, I have trained and practiced with my handgun, and shotgun, I am working on my AR training, I have no desire to train with other implements of destruction. JMHO
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Re: Bills legalizing knuckle possession?

Postby bblhd672 » Mon Jan 09, 2017 6:09 pm

Jusme wrote: I am working on my AR training, I have no desire to train with other implements of destruction. JMHO


So, we're not going to get together for 155mm howitzer training now? :biggrinjester:
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Re: Bills legalizing knuckle possession?

Postby ELB » Mon Jan 09, 2017 6:10 pm

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locke_n_load wrote:ETA: there is a documented case of not beating the ride on this though.


ETA: Nevermind, I didn't realize there were two pages to this thread. Also, I was thinking you meant "conviction" but I realize now you really meant arrest. Yes I remember that one.
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Re: Bills legalizing knuckle possession?

Postby Jusme » Mon Jan 09, 2017 6:16 pm

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Jusme wrote: I am working on my AR training, I have no desire to train with other implements of destruction. JMHO


So, we're not going to get together for 155mm howitzer training now? :biggrinjester:



I have enough arguments with Mrs. Jusme over the cost of 9 mm, 12 gauge , and 223 , I'm not brave enough to add 155 howitzer ammo to the list. Plus she may have brass knuckles I don't know about.

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Re: Bills legalizing knuckle possession?

Postby Salty1 » Mon Jan 09, 2017 6:54 pm

Maybe somebody can explain that rationale behind wanting these to be legal to carry because I cannot think of a single instance where they would be beneficial to law abiding citizens. It seems to me that the use of these alone would constitute deadly force. I can see itnow, if they are legalized then they will be used in the thugs knockout "games". No thanks.......
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Re: Bills legalizing knuckle possession?

Postby mojo84 » Mon Jan 09, 2017 7:03 pm

I haven't seen any widespread interest in getting these things legalized and I do not believe it worth any political capital or energy to do so.
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Re: Bills legalizing knuckle possession?

Postby Soccerdad1995 » Mon Jan 09, 2017 7:09 pm

Salty1 wrote:Maybe somebody can explain that rationale behind wanting these to be legal to carry because I cannot think of a single instance where they would be beneficial to law abiding citizens. It seems to me that the use of these alone would constitute deadly force. I can see itnow, if they are legalized then they will be used in the thugs knockout "games". No thanks.......


IMHO the threshold is whether there a compelling reason to infringe upon the ownership and carrying of these particular types of weapons? I can't think of a good enough reason for an infringement. That is the only rationale that is needed for allowing them.
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Re: Bills legalizing knuckle possession?

Postby rotor » Mon Jan 09, 2017 7:16 pm

Salty1 wrote:Maybe somebody can explain that rationale behind wanting these to be legal to carry because I cannot think of a single instance where they would be beneficial to law abiding citizens. It seems to me that the use of these alone would constitute deadly force. I can see itnow, if they are legalized then they will be used in the thugs knockout "games". No thanks.......

How about in a gun free zone? I don't particularly have a use for brass knuckles but perhaps a baton or some other defensive device vs hiding under a desk.


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Re: Bills legalizing knuckle possession?

Postby The Wall » Mon Jan 09, 2017 7:17 pm

bblhd672 wrote:
locke_n_load wrote:
locke_n_load wrote:
RossA wrote:Where did the idea come from that you can carry a sword if you have your gun with a LTC?


Texas penal code 46.02 is the part that states that carrying an "illegal knife" (includes knives over 5.5", swords, etc.) is illegal.
Section 46.15 (b)(6) states that 46.02 is not applicable to a license holder carrying their handgun.


ETA: there is a documented case of not beating the ride on this though.


So I can carry 9 handguns...but no swords? I guess battleaxes are out too. :biggrinjester:


Why would you want to carry my wife around? :lol:




Hope she doesn't see this or I'll be getting the ax. lol

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Re: Bills legalizing knuckle possession?

Postby JakeTheSnake » Mon Jan 09, 2017 7:36 pm

Salty1 wrote:Maybe somebody can explain that rationale behind wanting these to be legal to carry because I cannot think of a single instance where they would be beneficial to law abiding citizens. It seems to me that the use of these alone would constitute deadly force. I can see itnow, if they are legalized then they will be used in the thugs knockout "games". No thanks.......

So they should outlaw AR15's then so crazies won't walk into schools and nightclubs too?


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Re: Bills legalizing knuckle possession?

Postby steveincowtown » Mon Jan 09, 2017 7:44 pm

mojo84 wrote:I haven't seen any widespread interest in getting these things legalized and I do not believe it worth any political capital or energy to do so.


Maybe LEOs could just read the law, and then enforce it as written. Not sure we need new laws to clarify what is written in a law already on the books.

I carry as ASP daily while walking my dog (while carrying a handgun under my LTC).

Due to the nature of the area I live in we are not only a frequent dumping ground for unwanted pets, we back up to a fairly wild area of green belt. I much rather have the choice to wack a threatening stray dog with my ASP then to have to use my sidearm.


I am beside myself that someone had to spend $5,000 to not get charged.

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