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Re: HB1911 Com Substitute and HB560

Postby canvasbck » Mon May 15, 2017 8:50 am

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canvasbck wrote:If I were a betting man, I would bet on CSHB1911 dying in calendars. I think (at best) we will see church security teams and a reduction in LTC fees. This session will go down as one of the least productive in decades as it relates to expansion of 2a rights.

Supermajority my hind end........ :banghead:

You make the common mistake of thinking Republican = Pro Gun.

I suggest voting for or against the incumbents based on their votes in committee and on the floor, not the letter after their name on the ballot, and definitely not their sweet nothings. It's a little more work but the results just may be worth it.


But that is the problem. RINOs will vote "conservative" when legislation hits the floor. What they are expert at is killing bills quietly in committees where there are no recorded votes. A RINO can even vote for a bill in committee and make darn sure it stays in calendars where none of us will ever know exactly how it died.

HB560 is a prime example. No one can point to who killed that bill. There was no committee action on the bill after public hearing. Straus is an easy (and appropriate) target to blame, but it's not just him. Getting rid of "soft" supporters and closet antis/appeasers while not attacking our friends is virtually impossible unless you are privy to what's being said and done behind closed doors.
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Re: HB1911 Com Substitute

Postby RossA » Mon May 15, 2017 10:22 am

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When is it ever wrong to fight for the Constitution?


This is an elegant statement, but one does not generate change and progress with such global, lofty sloganeering, no matter how "right" it is. You have to deal with reality and the real world, and how it works, not how you think it should be or how you think it should work. This constant, endless whining and trumpeting about "my sekkunt 'mendment rytes" is a good example. Everybody's heard it a million times; they're tired of hearing it and will shut down the minute they do. If you really want to be an effect change agent, revise your articulation.


To some, fighting for the Constitution amounts to mere "sloganeering." To those of us who have actually done it, it means so much more.
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Re: HB1911 Com Substitute

Postby Papa_Tiger » Fri May 19, 2017 11:53 am

Fascinating read on some of what is going on in the Capitol this session:
http://politics.blog.mystatesman.com/2017/05/18/7829/

Yes it comes from the liberal rag of the Statesman, but there are some very interesting insights, particularly from the Mexican American Legislative Caucus and others.

You can bet that there will be changes in the way things are done next legislative session.


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Re: HB1911 Com Substitute

Postby locke_n_load » Fri May 19, 2017 12:41 pm

Papa_Tiger wrote:Fascinating read on some of what is going on in the Capitol this session:
http://politics.blog.mystatesman.com/2017/05/18/7829/

Yes it comes from the liberal rag of the Statesman, but there are some very interesting insights, particularly from the Mexican American Legislative Caucus and others.

You can bet that there will be changes in the way things are done next legislative session.


Wow. Good read. Really helps see the legislative process (or lack thereof).
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Re: HB1911 Com Substitute

Postby mojo84 » Fri May 19, 2017 1:54 pm

Papa_Tiger wrote:Fascinating read on some of what is going on in the Capitol this session:
http://politics.blog.mystatesman.com/2017/05/18/7829/

Yes it comes from the liberal rag of the Statesman, but there are some very interesting insights, particularly from the Mexican American Legislative Caucus and others.

You can bet that there will be changes in the way things are done next legislative session.


I pray for changes in processes and procedures will be made. Whether the current lege is in session or not, the system is broke and needs fixin'. That's a fact regardless who's feelings it hurts.
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Re: HB1911 Com Substitute

Postby steveincowtown » Fri May 19, 2017 2:22 pm

mojo84 wrote:
I pray changes in processwe and procedures will be made. Whether the current leges is in session or not, the system is broke and needs fixin'. That's a fact regardless who's feelings it hurts.


:iagree:


I would have never, ever, voted for Abbott or Patrick if I had know this would be how things would turn out. And before your say this folks have no power let me remind you have two things.

#1> If the Governor says "I expect to see Constitutional Carry" on my desk this session it shines a bright spotlight on the Roach Rinos that they cannot escape by playing legislative games.

#2> The Lt. Gov. could very easily call a special session that focuses on on gun bills, if he weren't worrying about non issues.

The TxLeg this year was a joke. Plain and simple.
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Re: HB1911 Com Substitute

Postby Flightmare » Fri May 19, 2017 3:09 pm

steveincowtown wrote:#2> The Lt. Gov. could very easily call a special session that focuses on on gun bills, if he weren't worrying about non issues.

The TxLeg this year was a joke. Plain and simple.


Only the Governor may call a special session.

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Re: HB1911 Com Substitute

Postby Charles L. Cotton » Fri May 19, 2017 6:57 pm

Flightmare wrote:
steveincowtown wrote:
#2> The Lt. Gov. could very easily call a special session that focuses on on gun bills, if he weren't worrying about non issues.

The TxLeg this year was a joke. Plain and simple.


Only the Governor may call a special session.


Correct. However, facts rarely get in the way when engaged in unfounded ranting.

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Re: HB1911 Com Substitute and HB560

Postby tbrown » Fri May 19, 2017 6:59 pm

canvasbck wrote:HB560 is a prime example. No one can point to who killed that bill. There was no committee action on the bill after public hearing. Straus is an easy (and appropriate) target to blame, but it's not just him. Getting rid of "soft" supporters and closet antis/appeasers while not attacking our friends is virtually impossible unless you are privy to what's being said and done behind closed doors.

We don't know what goes on in government meetings not subject to open records, but we do know who in the House signed on as co-authors and sponsors of HB 560. Signing on is no guarantee they're with us, but failure to sign is unequivocal.
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Re: HB1911 Com Substitute

Postby mojo84 » Fri May 19, 2017 8:15 pm

steveincowtown wrote:
mojo84 wrote:
I pray changes in processwe and procedures will be made. Whether the current leges is in session or not, the system is broke and needs fixin'. That's a fact regardless who's feelings it hurts.


:iagree:


I would have never, ever, voted for Abbott or Patrick if I had know this would be how things would turn out. And before your say this folks have no power let me remind you have two things.

#1> If the Governor says "I expect to see Constitutional Carry" on my desk this session it shines a bright spotlight on the Roach Rinos that they cannot escape by playing legislative games.

#2> The Lt. Gov. could very easily call a special session that focuses on on gun bills, if he weren't worrying about non issues.

The TxLeg this year was a joke. Plain and simple.


I think your ire is misdirected. The speaker of the house and his cronies are the bottleneck. The Governor and Lt. Gov. are good guys and on the right side of the large majority issues. This doesn't mean they will do everything the way each of us wants and we'll disagree with some of their positions but they are strong teammates.

It's the house leadership and his cronies that hurt conservative legislation.
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Re: HB1911 Com Substitute

Postby steveincowtown » Fri May 19, 2017 9:07 pm

Charles L. Cotton wrote:
Flightmare wrote:
steveincowtown wrote:
#2> The Lt. Gov. could very easily call a special session that focuses on on gun bills, if he weren't worrying about non issues.

The TxLeg this year was a joke. Plain and simple.


Only the Governor may call a special session.


Correct. However, facts rarely get in the way when engaged in unfounded ranting.

Chas.


Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick threatened to push for a special legislative session to pass bills to regulate bathroom use for transgender Texans and set new thresholds for when cities and counties must get voter approval for tax rates.




https://www.texastribune.org/2017/05/17 ... dont-move/


Dan Patrick sure acts like he can.....
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Re: HB1911 Com Substitute

Postby mojo84 » Fri May 19, 2017 9:20 pm

steveincowtown wrote:
Charles L. Cotton wrote:
Flightmare wrote:
steveincowtown wrote:
#2> The Lt. Gov. could very easily call a special session that focuses on on gun bills, if he weren't worrying about non issues.

The TxLeg this year was a joke. Plain and simple.


Only the Governor may call a special session.


Correct. However, facts rarely get in the way when engaged in unfounded ranting.

Chas.


Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick threatened to push for a special legislative session to pass bills to regulate bathroom use for transgender Texans and set new thresholds for when cities and counties must get voter approval for tax rates.




https://www.texastribune.org/2017/05/17 ... dont-move/


Dan Patrick sure acts like he can.....


There's a big difference between "push" for a special session and calling one.
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Re: HB1911 Com Substitute

Postby steveincowtown » Fri May 19, 2017 9:31 pm

mojo84 wrote:
steveincowtown wrote:
Charles L. Cotton wrote:
Flightmare wrote:
steveincowtown wrote:
#2> The Lt. Gov. could very easily call a special session that focuses on on gun bills, if he weren't worrying about non issues.

The TxLeg this year was a joke. Plain and simple.


Only the Governor may call a special session.


Correct. However, facts rarely get in the way when engaged in unfounded ranting.

Chas.


Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick threatened to push for a special legislative session to pass bills to regulate bathroom use for transgender Texans and set new thresholds for when cities and counties must get voter approval for tax rates.




https://www.texastribune.org/2017/05/17 ... dont-move/


Dan Patrick sure acts like he can.....


There's a big difference between "push" for a special session and calling one.


Okey dokey....either way no one is "pushing" or "calling" for a special session to restore the gun rights they both seemed to represent when I pushed the button at election time. This Leg was a joke...and not a good one.
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Re: HB1911 Com Substitute

Postby mojo84 » Fri May 19, 2017 9:43 pm

steveincowtown wrote:
mojo84 wrote:
steveincowtown wrote:
Charles L. Cotton wrote:
Flightmare wrote:
steveincowtown wrote:
#2> The Lt. Gov. could very easily call a special session that focuses on on gun bills, if he weren't worrying about non issues.

The TxLeg this year was a joke. Plain and simple.


Only the Governor may call a special session.


Correct. However, facts rarely get in the way when engaged in unfounded ranting.

Chas.


Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick threatened to push for a special legislative session to pass bills to regulate bathroom use for transgender Texans and set new thresholds for when cities and counties must get voter approval for tax rates.




https://www.texastribune.org/2017/05/17 ... dont-move/


Dan Patrick sure acts like he can.....


There's a big difference between "push" for a special session and calling one.


Okey dokey....either way no one is "pushing" or "calling" for a special session to restore the gun rights they both seemed to represent when I pushed the button at election time. This Leg was a joke...and not a good one.


You do realize there are many issues with many voters wanting their issues addressed, don't you? I too am very disappointed in this session but stomping ones feet and hurling incorrect accusations isn't going to help. There is still time for people to push for a special session and the Governor to call one. However, I doubt very seriously if one is going to be seriously pushed for or called for unlicensed carry. I just don't believe there is the political will and capital to do it this session and get it passed.

The answer is going to be getting real strong primary candidates to run and beat the RINOS.
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Re: HB1911 Com Substitute

Postby Flightmare » Fri May 19, 2017 10:05 pm

Guys, please keep in mind there are still bills being discussed and there are antis that scan this forum looking for little tidbits that they can use to point out how rabid 2nd Amendment supporters are. Charles has pointed out there is alot going on that we may not know about. Now is DEFINITELY not the time to eat our own. Lets get thru this session, see where we stand, and go from there.
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