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Tax Free 2nd Amendment Items

Postby TEX » Mon Nov 28, 2016 12:33 pm

They did away with poll taxes quite some time ago because the courts said you could not tax the exercise of a right. I would have to agree although I personally would have no problem with a basic intelligence test to vote - except who would draft the test (big problem).

So, why do we have to pay sales tax on the purchase of firearms, ammunition, and firearm accessories? Is it not a tax on the exercising of a right guaranteed to us under the 2nd Amendment?

I sent my state representative a hand written letter concerning this last year and got exactly naught, nil, zilch, zero, zip, goose egg, nada, back as a reply from my elected public servant whose salary is paid with my tax dollars. Needless to say last vote he will get from me.

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Re: Tax Free 2nd Amendment Items

Postby Flightmare » Mon Nov 28, 2016 12:38 pm

viewtopic.php?f=141&t=86854

SB133 (Creighton) Relating to an exemption from the sales tax for firearms and hunting supplies for a limited period.
Impact: Creates a sales tax exemption period for guns and hunting supplies.
Position on Bill: Neutral.
Status: Filed 11/14/16.
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Re: Tax Free 2nd Amendment Items

Postby Pariah3j » Mon Nov 28, 2016 12:42 pm

The poll tax, was a tax you had to pay in order to vote. You don't have to pay a tax in order to exercise your 2nd amendment rights (baring the exception of things like NFA items). The tax you are paying are for the goods and items which just happen to be 2nd Amend. related. A much better argument would be to get rid of the fee(or 'tax') for things like LTC which I believe should already be covered by the 'right to bare' arms.
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Re: Tax Free 2nd Amendment Items

Postby Jusme » Mon Nov 28, 2016 12:49 pm

Flightmare wrote:http://texaschlforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=141&t=86854

SB133 (Creighton) Relating to an exemption from the sales tax for firearms and hunting supplies for a limited period.
Impact: Creates a sales tax exemption period for guns and hunting supplies.
Position on Bill: Neutral.
Status: Filed 11/14/16.



I think the OP is more interested in a permanent tax abatement for the purchase of firearms, ammo, etc.

I don't think we will ever see firearms not taxed, it brings in too much revenue. While the ability to possess firearms is a legal right, there is nothing in the Constitution that says they cannot be taxed. It would, in my opinion follow along the same lines as taxing the written word, taxing the sale of books, magazines and newspapers is legal. Even though we have the right to "free" speech.

I do think that my firearms should be legal dependents on my income taxes though, since I have to feed, shelter, and protect them. :biggrinjester:
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Re: Tax Free 2nd Amendment Items

Postby vjallen75 » Mon Nov 28, 2016 3:48 pm

Jusme wrote:I do think that my firearms should be legal dependents on my income taxes though, since I have to feed, shelter, and protect them. :biggrinjester:


:iagree: These dependents eat a lot don't they? A guy could go broke with the upkeep
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Re: Tax Free 2nd Amendment Items

Postby rotor » Mon Nov 28, 2016 5:08 pm

Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Unalienable rights. Lots of things shouldn't be taxed then. Let's get rid of that breathing tax which says that from your first breath you must pay for Obamacare. That at least we can change.


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Re: Tax Free 2nd Amendment Items

Postby bblhd672 » Mon Nov 28, 2016 5:28 pm

rotor wrote:Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Unalienable rights. Lots of things shouldn't be taxed then. Let's get rid of that breathing tax which says that from your first breath you must pay for Obamacare. That at least we can change.


I could buy a lot more firearms and ammo, as well as make significantly more in charitable contributions, if my annual health care plan cost hadn't grown from 9k a year to 25k a year. Bring back "affordable" health care!

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Re: Tax Free 2nd Amendment Items

Postby The Dude » Mon Nov 28, 2016 6:20 pm

rotor wrote:Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Unalienable rights. Lots of things shouldn't be taxed then. Let's get rid of that breathing tax which says that from your first breath you must pay for Obamacare. That at least we can change.

There no excuse for not repealing the Obamacurse tax in Trump's first 100 days, if not his first 25.

What the "reform" of Obamacare will look like may take a while to iron out the details, but there's no reason not to ax the tax while they're working on the reform, if they don't have the stones for a full repeal right out of the gate.
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Re: Tax Free 2nd Amendment Items

Postby The Dude » Mon Nov 28, 2016 6:26 pm

Pariah3j wrote:The poll tax, was a tax you had to pay in order to vote. You don't have to pay a tax in order to exercise your 2nd amendment rights (baring the exception of things like NFA items). The tax you are paying are for the goods and items which just happen to be 2nd Amend. related.

So the feds enacting a 11% excise tax on bibles and crucifixes wouldn't violate the first amendment?
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Re: Tax Free 2nd Amendment Items

Postby Pariah3j » Tue Nov 29, 2016 9:26 am

The Dude wrote:
Pariah3j wrote:The poll tax, was a tax you had to pay in order to vote. You don't have to pay a tax in order to exercise your 2nd amendment rights (baring the exception of things like NFA items). The tax you are paying are for the goods and items which just happen to be 2nd Amend. related.

So the feds enacting a 11% excise tax on bibles and crucifixes wouldn't violate the first amendment?


A specific tax on them, I would say yes. General tax that gets attached to everything (aka sales tax), I don't think so. I'm not aware of any special firearms specific tax you pay on guns or ammo, just sales tax.
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Re: Tax Free 2nd Amendment Items

Postby Abraham » Tue Nov 29, 2016 9:27 am

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Re: Tax Free 2nd Amendment Items

Postby Soccerdad1995 » Tue Nov 29, 2016 10:07 am

The Dude wrote:
Pariah3j wrote:The poll tax, was a tax you had to pay in order to vote. You don't have to pay a tax in order to exercise your 2nd amendment rights (baring the exception of things like NFA items). The tax you are paying are for the goods and items which just happen to be 2nd Amend. related.

So the feds enacting a 11% excise tax on bibles and crucifixes wouldn't violate the first amendment?


Or more directly, a tax on church attendance. Something reasonable, like $100 per person, per service.

If I recall correctly, I believe that excessive taxes on guns and ammo have been struck down in the past on precisely this Constitutional basis.
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Re: Tax Free 2nd Amendment Items

Postby gringo pistolero » Wed Nov 30, 2016 7:33 pm

Pariah3j wrote:
The Dude wrote:
Pariah3j wrote:The poll tax, was a tax you had to pay in order to vote. You don't have to pay a tax in order to exercise your 2nd amendment rights (baring the exception of things like NFA items). The tax you are paying are for the goods and items which just happen to be 2nd Amend. related.

So the feds enacting a 11% excise tax on bibles and crucifixes wouldn't violate the first amendment?


A specific tax on them, I would say yes. General tax that gets attached to everything (aka sales tax), I don't think so. I'm not aware of any special firearms specific tax you pay on guns or ammo, just sales tax.

Firearms and Ammunition Excise Tax (FAET) is a tax imposed by Chapter 32 of the Internal Revenue Code (26 U.S.C. 4181) on the sale of firearms and ammunition
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Re: Tax Free 2nd Amendment Items

Postby yodajim » Wed Nov 30, 2016 11:45 pm

I do think that my firearms should be legal dependents on my income taxes though, since I have to feed, shelter, and protect them.

:iagree: :iagree: :iagree:

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Re: Tax Free 2nd Amendment Items

Postby Pawpaw » Thu Dec 01, 2016 1:00 am

yodajim wrote:I do think that my firearms should be legal dependents on my income taxes though, since I have to feed, shelter, and protect them.

:iagree: :iagree: :iagree:

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