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Wait 'til next year...

Postby tomneal » Tue Jan 05, 2016 1:44 pm

Wow! Can you believe it's time for the "Wait 'til next year" list for the 2017 Texas Legislature.

- CLEO's are required to sign off on NFA paperwork for CHL holders in a short time (10-30 days).
- Concealed Carry folks, can carry anywhere off-duty Police Officers carry.

I am sure others have thoughts.
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Re: Wait 'til next year...

Postby AJSully421 » Tue Jan 05, 2016 2:33 pm

Decrease the time a city has to comply with improper 30.06/7 signs to 5 days, increase penalty to include holding city / county executives personally, criminally, liable for sign postings under official oppression statutes, as well as any peace officer who enforces them.

Sec. 39.03. OFFICIAL OPPRESSION. (a) A public servant acting under color of his office or employment commits an offense if he:
(1) intentionally subjects another to mistreatment or to arrest, detention, search, seizure, dispossession, assessment, or lien that he knows is unlawful;
(2) intentionally denies or impedes another in the exercise or enjoyment of any right, privilege, power, or immunity, knowing his conduct is unlawful; or
(3) intentionally subjects another to sexual harassment.
(b) For purposes of this section, a public servant acts under color of his office or employment if he acts or purports to act in an official capacity or takes advantage of such actual or purported capacity.
(c) In this section, "sexual harassment" means unwelcome sexual advances, requests for sexual favors, or other verbal or physical conduct of a sexual nature, submission to which is made a term or condition of a person's exercise or enjoyment of any right, privilege, power, or immunity, either explicitly or implicitly.
(d) An offense under this section is a Class A misdemeanor, except that an offense is a felony of the third degree if the public servant acted with the intent to impair the accuracy of data reported to the Texas Education Agency through the Public Education Information Management System (PEIMS) described by Section 42.006, Education Code, under a law requiring that reporting.




Online DPS registration of locations posting 30.06/7 signs to eliminate the MDA ninnies posting signs on places without effective consent of the owner. If the location is not actively registered and renewed every year, it is the same as an invalid sign.

Let's do something to change one or two words of of 30.06 and 30.07 to make all current signs invalid. Or how about statutory spanish language included to make sure that the message is correctly conveyed.
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30.06 signs only make criminals and terrorists safer.


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Re: Wait 'til next year...

Postby dru » Tue Jan 05, 2016 7:30 pm

Remove force of law from all no gun signs.


If a business doesn't want you there either open or conceal carrying, they have every right to tell you that and you can/should leave. But that's no reason for the state to get involved until they tell you to go and you refuse (at which point its just like every other trespassing issue). Other states do this. No issues. Takes a big arrow out of the MDA quiver


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Postby srothstein » Wed Jan 06, 2016 12:01 am

tomneal wrote:Wow! Can you believe it's time for the "Wait 'til next year" list for the 2017 Texas Legislature.

- CLEO's are required to sign off on NFA paperwork for CHL holders in a short time (10-30 days).
- Concealed Carry folks, can carry anywhere off-duty Police Officers carry.

I am sure others have thoughts.


We may not have to worry about that CLEO sign-off part. Latest word on ATF regs is that it does away with it.
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Re: Wait 'til next year...

Postby Tracker » Wed Jan 06, 2016 12:22 am

tomneal wrote:Wow! Can you believe it's time for the "Wait 'til next year" list for the 2017 Texas Legislature.

- CLEO's are required to sign off on NFA paperwork for CHL holders in a short time (10-30 days).
- Concealed Carry folks, can carry anywhere off-duty Police Officers carry.

I am sure others have thoughts.


Bending able to carry anywhere off-duty officers can carry would be the politcal response to the activists (https://gunfreebusinesses.wordpress.com) pressuring businesses to post 30.06

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Re: Wait 'til next year...

Postby ScottDLS » Wed Jan 06, 2016 12:27 am

tomneal wrote:Wow! Can you believe it's time for the "Wait 'til next year" list for the 2017 Texas Legislature.

- CLEO's are required to sign off on NFA paperwork for CHL holders in a short time (10-30 days).
- Concealed Carry folks, can carry anywhere off-duty Police Officers carry.

I am sure others have thoughts.

ATF isn't going to require CLEO sign off on NFA paperwork after ~July 2016, just NOTIFICATION.
4/13/1996 Completed CHL Class, 4/16/1996 Fingerprints, Affidavits, and Application Mailed, 10/4/1996 Received CHL, renewed 1998, 2002, 2006, 2011, 2016...). "ATF... Uhhh...heh...heh....Alcohol, tobacco, and GUNS!! Cool!!!!"

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Postby The Annoyed Man » Wed Jan 06, 2016 12:37 am

tomneal wrote:Wow! Can you believe it's time for the "Wait 'til next year" list for the 2017 Texas Legislature.

- CLEO's are required to sign off on NFA paperwork for CHL holders in a short time (10-30 days).
- Concealed Carry folks, can carry anywhere off-duty Police Officers carry.

I am sure others have thoughts.

FWIW, Obama's new EOs for gun control remove the CLEO sign off requirement for non-trust NFA items and changes it to CLEO notification only. It's the only upside to his EO.
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Re: Wait 'til next year...

Postby bear94 » Wed Jan 06, 2016 1:35 am

I'd personally like to see legislation that removes any penalty for passing a 30.06/07 sign.


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Re: Wait 'til next year...

Postby Ruark » Wed Jan 06, 2016 9:29 am

Tracker wrote:Bending able to carry anywhere off-duty officers can carry would be the political response to the activists (https://gunfreebusinesses.wordpress.com) pressuring businesses to post 30.06


This pressure is steadily mounting. You have MDAs and anti-gun politicians going door to door passing out signs, and waving petitions with half a million signatures at corporate offices. They're writing "thank you" letters to HEB. There's that professional photographer in Houston giving 5 free professional web photos to any business that posts. More and more print shops are mass-marketing signs to businesses. Now they're even using email spam and Google ad tracking - I looked at a sign-selling website (nocarrysigns.com, mysecuritysign.com, 30.07sign.com, and many others) and now their banner ads are constantly appearing when I use the web.

And these groups like MDA, CPHV, etc. are organized and well funded, and able to coordinate large scale publicity and lobbying efforts.

What's being done to push the other way? Zip. Legislation eliminating the 06 restriction is the only possible solution. What I wear under my clothes should be my business and nobody else's.
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Re: Wait 'til next year...

Postby Soccerdad1995 » Fri Jan 08, 2016 4:58 pm

    Remove penalty for carrying past 30.06/30.07 unless someone refuses to leave after being told

    $1,000 fine per day for posting signs where not legally allowed to restrict 2A rights. 50% of the cumulative fine goes to the first person who reports said sign(s), rest goes to fund pro-2A rights "awareness" advertising

    Remove qualified immunity for LEO's and other public officials who violate citizen's rights

    Minimum of $1,000 fine and 3 months in jail for filing a false police report regarding 2A rights (including a store employee that calls the police on someone legally carrying in their establishment)

    LTC holders allowed to carry anywhere off-duty / retired LEO's can carry
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Re: Wait 'til next year...

Postby booze97 » Thu Jan 21, 2016 2:00 pm

Allow lawsuits against an entity that bans firearms if an LTC holder is injured/killed on premises like Tennessee is looking at doing.
Bill allows suits over gun-free zone incidents


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Postby MeMelYup » Thu Jan 21, 2016 3:57 pm

This needs to be looked into also.
Persons that teach at schools or work there, whom are LTC's cannot leave a firearm locked in their vehicle while at their place of work. This forces teachers and school administration to be unarmed, from the time they leave the house to go to work, until they get back home from work daily.

SUBCHAPTER G. RESTRICTIONS ON PROHIBITING EMPLOYEE TRANSPORTATION OR STORAGE OF CERTAIN FIREARMS OR AMMUNITION

Sec. 52.061. RESTRICTION ON PROHIBITING EMPLOYEE ACCESS TO OR STORAGE OF FIREARM OR AMMUNITION. A public or private employer may not prohibit an employee who holds a license to carry a concealed handgun under Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, who otherwise lawfully possesses a firearm, or who lawfully possesses ammunition from transporting or storing a firearm or ammunition the employee is authorized by law to possess in a locked, privately owned motor vehicle in a parking lot, parking garage, or other parking area the employer provides for employees.
Added by Acts 2011, 82nd Leg., R.S., Ch. 1058 (S.B. 321), Sec. 1, eff. September 1, 2011.
Sec. 52.062. EXCEPTIONS. (a) Section 52.061 does not:
(1) authorize a person who holds a license to carry a concealed handgun under Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, who otherwise lawfully possesses a firearm, or who lawfully possesses ammunition to possess a firearm or ammunition on any property where the possession of a firearm or ammunition is prohibited by state or federal law; or
(2) apply to:
(A) a vehicle owned or leased by a public or private employer and used by an employee in the course and scope of the employee's employment, unless the employee is required to transport or store a firearm in the official discharge of the employee's duties;
strike out (B), (C) and (D).
(B) a school district;
(C) an open-enrollment charter school, as defined by Section 5.001, Education Code;
(D) a private school, as defined by Section 22.081, Education Code;
relable (E) and (F).
(E) (B) property owned or controlled by a person, other than the employer, that is subject to a valid, unexpired oil, gas, or other mineral lease that contains a provision prohibiting the possession of firearms on the property; or
(F) (C) property owned or leased by a chemical manufacturer or oil and gas refiner with an air authorization under Chapter 382, Health and Safety Code, and on which the primary business conducted is the manufacture, use, storage, or transportation of hazardous, combustible, or explosive materials, except in regard to an employee who holds a license to carry a concealed handgun under Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, and who stores a firearm or ammunition the employee is authorized by law to possess in a locked, privately owned motor vehicle in a parking lot, parking garage, or other parking area the employer provides for employees that is outside of a secured and restricted area:
(i) that contains the physical plant;
(ii) that is not open to the public; and
(iii) the ingress into which is constantly monitored by security personnel.
(b) Section 52.061 does not prohibit an employer from prohibiting an employee who holds a license to carry a concealed handgun under Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, or who otherwise lawfully possesses a firearm, from possessing a firearm the employee is otherwise authorized by law to possess on the premises of the employer's business. In this subsection, "premises" has the meaning assigned by Section 46.035(f)(3), Penal Code.
Added by Acts 2011, 82nd Leg., R.S., Ch. 1058 (S.B. 321), Sec. 1, eff. September 1, 2011.

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Re: Wait 'til next year...

Postby LSUTiger » Thu Jan 21, 2016 4:17 pm

I want to see allowing armed staff or mandatory police based on student population in every dang Pre, K-12 school in the state. It's time we start protecting our children!!!!

Volunteer LTC during school would work for me as well or some kind of programs to that effect. Perhaps some kind of TCLEOSE certification by a state agency that would allow LTC to volunteer as security in schools. I'd pay for it my self. How much does it cost?

This was interesting:
http://www.cjcenter.org/trcpi/doc/8_07_Fact_Sheet.pdf
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Re: Wait 'til next year...

Postby glock27 » Fri Jan 22, 2016 12:18 pm

Instead of english and spanish it should be reqiure to post in

Chinese
Portugese
Vietnamese
Hyroglyphics
Brail
Russian
German
Etc etc


Can you imagine how many signs would have to be posted covering up an entire storefront? And times 2 for both 06 07. And change a few words every year and make them have to pay high dollar permits or a tax to post these signs
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Re: Wait 'til next year...

Postby TexasJohnBoy » Fri Jan 22, 2016 3:56 pm

Specify in statute which areas of institutions of higher education are off limits for concealed carriers (if any), and remove the ability of administrators to put together patchwork rules for every campus in the state of Texas.
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