5th Circuit Court of Appeals - TX voter ID law

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Re: 5th Circuit Court of Appeals - TX voter ID law

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Pawpaw wrote:Without the right to vote, the Constitution is just a piece of paper.
The question is not over the right to vote. Every eligible voter can vote. Any eligible voter can demonstrate eligibility by registering and identifying as that eligible person.

The only people who see this as a problem are those who profit by uncertainty, dishonesty, and fraud.

I dare them to produce an eligible voter who cannot obtain identity and register, and vote. Where are they? Nobody would stop them from doing so.
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The only people who see this as a problem are those who profit by uncertainty, dishonesty, and fraud.

I dare them to produce an eligible voter who cannot obtain identity and register, and vote. Where are they? Nobody would stop them from doing so.
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Maybe this is the response we need.

Find a dozen or so healthy people in each county. Get them appointed as registrars of voters. Then, heavily publicise that any eligible voter who desires it can register and obtain the required ID, easy, and free.

Those registrars can go to them and take care of it.

Where are these ~600,000 voters who can't vote?
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JALLEN wrote:Where are these ~600,000 voters who can't vote?
Right now they're probably in Mexico, Syria, etc.

I just don't get the logic - you have to have a photo ID for just about everything else you do in this country.

Why do we "discriminate" by requiring a photo ID for opening a bank account, getting on a plane, etc?
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JALLEN wrote:
Pawpaw wrote:Without the right to vote, the Constitution is just a piece of paper.
The question is not over the right to vote. Every eligible voter can vote. Any eligible voter can demonstrate eligibility by registering and identifying as that eligible person.

The only people who see this as a problem are those who profit by uncertainty, dishonesty, and fraud.

I dare them to produce an eligible voter who cannot obtain identity and register, and vote. Where are they? Nobody would stop them from doing so.
I'm not arguing that point. I agree that showing ID should not be a problem and infringes on nothing.

I was simply answering the question:
eureka40 wrote:Where is the "right" to vote listed in the constitution?
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The progressive democrat hypocrisy drives me nuts. So, it's racist to require an ID to vote but not to attend DNC?

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mojo84 wrote:The progressive democrat hypocrisy drives me nuts. So, it's racist to require an ID to vote but not to attend DNC?
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Skiprr wrote:
mojo84 wrote:The progressive democrat hypocrisy drives me nuts. So, it's racist to require an ID to vote but not to attend DNC?
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JALLEN wrote:Maybe this is the response we need.

Find a dozen or so healthy people in each county. Get them appointed as registrars of voters. Then, heavily publicise that any eligible voter who desires it can register and obtain the required ID, easy, and free.

Those registrars can go to them and take care of it.

Where are these ~600,000 voters who can't vote?
in the cemeteries.
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http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2016/08/ ... -november/
individuals presenting a valid “voter registration certificate, certified birth certificate, a current utility bill, a bank statement, a government check, a paycheck, or any other government document that displays the voter’s name and an address and complete and sign a reasonable impediment declaration shall be permitted” to vote a regular ballot as well.
The agreement also specifies that voters declaring an inability to acquire proper photo ID in time for the election cannot be questioned by election officials unless “conclusive evidence” is presented to demonstrate that an identity is being falsified. Further, identifying documents provided at check-in do not have to match addresses shown in the registry of voters
Any document that displays a voter's name and an address can be used for voter check-in. Address doesn't have to match that of the voter's registration.

Just curious if anyone on this forum has voted without an ID before? I'm relatively young still. I guess that I could imagine showing up to a polling place telling the person my name and having them check me off of their list. I'm sure that in the smaller towns many voters know all of the election volunteers at the polling place. I've had a government issued photo ID probably since I was 12 or 13 years old.
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allisji wrote:http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2016/08/ ... -november/
individuals presenting a valid “voter registration certificate, certified birth certificate, a current utility bill, a bank statement, a government check, a paycheck, or any other government document that displays the voter’s name and an address and complete and sign a reasonable impediment declaration shall be permitted” to vote a regular ballot as well.
The agreement also specifies that voters declaring an inability to acquire proper photo ID in time for the election cannot be questioned by election officials unless “conclusive evidence” is presented to demonstrate that an identity is being falsified. Further, identifying documents provided at check-in do not have to match addresses shown in the registry of voters
Any document that displays a voter's name and an address can be used for voter check-in. Address doesn't have to match that of the voter's registration.

Just curious if anyone on this forum has voted without an ID before? I'm relatively young still. I guess that I could imagine showing up to a polling place telling the person my name and having them check me off of their list. I'm sure that in the smaller towns many voters know all of the election volunteers at the polling place. I've had a government issued photo ID probably since I was 12 or 13 years old.

I have several times in the past. I told the volunteer my name and address, he or she looked me up on the voter roll and sent me to get a ballot. She had no idea if I was the person whom I said I was. I prefer to show my ID to get a ballot as I believe it helps ensure a fairer election. It just takes one fraudulently cast ballot to cancel mine out.
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mojo84 wrote:Found it is discriminatory and unconstitutional per reports.
This is good news. This means gun laws are discriminatory! haha.

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I was really hoping this would have gone through. If only as a means to prevent the fraud we all know goes on.
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[quote="allisj]



Just curious if anyone on this forum has voted without an ID before? I'm relatively young still. I guess that I could imagine showing up to a polling place telling the person my name and having them check me off of their list. I'm sure that in the smaller towns many voters know all of the election volunteers at the polling place. I've had a government issued photo ID probably since I was 12 or 13 years old.[/quote]

I voted that way in CA for 45 years. It is ridiculous. Farrah Fawcett could have come to my polling place, said she was me, and voted. Never an ID, nothing. Getting on the voter roll was absurdly easy and unverified.

My buddy here on a green card could have registered and voted if he had decided to, self-respect and the habit of complying with laws the only deterrent.

There is nothing to stop folks from designating an agent to cast their ballot. It's illegal, of course, but what's to stop someone who doesn't want to get off work, stand in line from designating someone, a precinct captain, for example, to cast ballots for everyone. Wink, wink!
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JALLEN wrote:[quote="allisj]



Just curious if anyone on this forum has voted without an ID before? I'm relatively young still. I guess that I could imagine showing up to a polling place telling the person my name and having them check me off of their list. I'm sure that in the smaller towns many voters know all of the election volunteers at the polling place. I've had a government issued photo ID probably since I was 12 or 13 years old.
I voted that way in CA for 45 years. It is ridiculous. Farrah Fawcett could have come to my polling place, said she was me, and voted. Never an ID, nothing. Getting on the voter roll was absurdly easy and unverified.

My buddy here on a green card could have registered and voted if he had decided to, self-respect and the habit of complying with laws the only deterrent.

There is nothing to stop folks from designating an agent to cast their ballot. It's illegal, of course, but what's to stop someone who doesn't want to get off work, stand in line from designating someone, a precinct captain, for example, to cast ballots for everyone. Wink, wink![/quote][/quote]

The habit of complying with the laws is always getting in the way.
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