Violence against police could soon be hate crime in Texas

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Violence against police could soon be hate crime in Texas

Postby sbrawley » Sun Nov 20, 2016 9:55 pm

http://abc13.com/politics/violence-against-police-could-soon-be-hate-crime/1617491/

Gov. Abbott is pushing a measure to make violence against police a "Hate Crime".

Gov. Abbott made the following statement in response to the murder of the San Antonio police officer,
"Cecilia and I extend our deepest condolences to the victim's family and harshly condemn this horrific act of violence. We ask that all Texans join us in praying for the officer's loved ones as they deal with the aftermath of this unimaginable tragedy. Attacks against law enforcement officers will not be tolerated in Texas and must be met with swift justice, which is why I look forward to signing my Police Protection Act into law - making targeted attacks against law enforcement a hate crime."
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Re: Violence against police could soon be hate crime in Texas

Postby Liberty » Mon Nov 21, 2016 6:06 am

I thought we didn't have any such thing as hate crimes in Texas.
People who target cops deserve extra attention. But Killing a cop in Texas is a capital crime. What does the new law change? Can we kill the convicted twice? or not allow him a last meal? Usually, laws passed under recent emotional duress turn out to be bad ideas. I don't see a bad side to this bill, but it does sound unnecessary and something that will detract from getting our gun agenda and constitutional carry serious consideration.
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Re: Violence against police could soon be hate crime in Texas

Postby bblhd672 » Mon Nov 21, 2016 6:18 am

Liberty wrote:IWhat does the new law change?.


Nothing- but it makes the politicians feel good about themselves. About as useful as getting on social media holding a sign that says "#stop killing cops"
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Re: Violence against police could soon be hate crime in Texas

Postby nonleg » Mon Nov 21, 2016 6:19 am

Fully agree with you Liberty. Murder, by definition, is the ultimate hate crime in and of itself.
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Re: Violence against police could soon be hate crime in Texas

Postby nightmare69 » Mon Nov 21, 2016 6:55 am

I see this as an added charge for an assault on a peace officer.
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Re: Violence against police could soon be hate crime in Texas

Postby Jusme » Mon Nov 21, 2016 7:11 am

nightmare69 wrote:I see this as an added charge for an assault on a peace officer.



It is already Aggravated Assault. (possibly attempted capital murder) If they want to increase the penalty for it occurring to LEO, why not just amend that statute?

While I agree that we should do all we can to protect police officers, I don't see this as being more of a deterrent. JMHO
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Re: Violence against police could soon be hate crime in Texas

Postby Abraham » Mon Nov 21, 2016 9:05 am

Maybe he's simply making a statement that calling a crime "a hate crime" is spurious.

A crime is a crime, we need no additional PC-ness entered into it...

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Re: Violence against police could soon be hate crime in Texas

Postby rtschl » Mon Nov 21, 2016 9:10 am

I hate "hate crimes" legislation. Instead, why don't they just make it an automatic charge of a capital offense?
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Re: Violence against police could soon be hate crime in Texas

Postby KD5NRH » Mon Nov 21, 2016 9:38 am

Better yet, how about having laws that treat everyone equally; if the penalty for assault isn't high enough to cover assaulting a nun, the President or a cop, increase the penalty across the board.

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Re: Violence against police could soon be hate crime in Texas

Postby nightmare69 » Mon Nov 21, 2016 9:53 am

Jusme wrote:
nightmare69 wrote:I see this as an added charge for an assault on a peace officer.



It is already Aggravated Assault. (possibly attempted capital murder) If they want to increase the penalty for it occurring to LEO, why not just amend that statute?

While I agree that we should do all we can to protect police officers, I don't see this as being more of a deterrent. JMHO



A man walks up and punches a cop you could charge him with assault on a peace officer and hate crime or whatever they will call this law in the penal code.
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Re: Violence against police could soon be hate crime in Texas

Postby ScottDLS » Mon Nov 21, 2016 10:05 am

It's only a hate crime of the cop is a certain "color", right? :???:
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Re: Violence against police could soon be hate crime in Texas

Postby Jusme » Mon Nov 21, 2016 10:11 am

nightmare69 wrote:
Jusme wrote:
nightmare69 wrote:I see this as an added charge for an assault on a peace officer.



It is already Aggravated Assault. (possibly attempted capital murder) If they want to increase the penalty for it occurring to LEO, why not just amend that statute?

While I agree that we should do all we can to protect police officers, I don't see this as being more of a deterrent. JMHO



A man walks up and punches a cop you could charge him with assault on a peace officer and hate crime or whatever they will call this law in the penal code.



That's true, but, my point being, if being charged with Aggravated Assault, isn't enough of a deterrent, what will adding on a separate charge do, that can't be done, simply by increasing the penalty of the Agg. Assault? If someone is going to attack a police officer, they probably don't care that they will also be charged with a hate crime. There is no burden of proof for motive, in the Aggravated Assault statute, so why try to pass a law that would require one? Intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly, if any one of these criteria are met, then the charge can be applied. There is no need to delve into a person's emotions. JMHO.
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Re: Violence against police could soon be hate crime in Texas

Postby bblhd672 » Mon Nov 21, 2016 10:31 am

nonleg wrote:Fully agree with you Liberty. Murder, by definition, is the ultimate hate crime in and of itself.


As a society we need to stop this trend of adding "hate crime laws". There are already laws in place for the crimes, they just need to be prosecuted and harsh sentencing applied to convicted criminals.
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Re: Violence against police could soon be hate crime in Texas

Postby Smokey613 » Mon Nov 21, 2016 10:41 am

bblhd672 wrote:
nonleg wrote:Fully agree with you Liberty. Murder, by definition, is the ultimate hate crime in and of itself.


As a society we need to stop this trend of adding "hate crime laws". There are already laws in place for the crimes, they just need to be prosecuted and harsh sentencing applied to convicted criminals.


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Re: Violence against police could soon be hate crime in Texas

Postby nightmare69 » Mon Nov 21, 2016 10:42 am

Jusme wrote:
nightmare69 wrote:
Jusme wrote:
nightmare69 wrote:I see this as an added charge for an assault on a peace officer.



It is already Aggravated Assault. (possibly attempted capital murder) If they want to increase the penalty for it occurring to LEO, why not just amend that statute?

While I agree that we should do all we can to protect police officers, I don't see this as being more of a deterrent. JMHO



A man walks up and punches a cop you could charge him with assault on a peace officer and hate crime or whatever they will call this law in the penal code.



That's true, but, my point being, if being charged with Aggravated Assault, isn't enough of a deterrent, what will adding on a separate charge do, that can't be done, simply by increasing the penalty of the Agg. Assault? If someone is going to attack a police officer, they probably don't care that they will also be charged with a hate crime. There is no burden of proof for motive, in the Aggravated Assault statute, so why try to pass a law that would require one? Intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly, if any one of these criteria are met, then the charge can be applied. There is no need to delve into a person's emotions. JMHO.


It's not going to be a deterrent for some scumbag. The only purpose it will serve is to keep the scumbag locked up awhile longer.
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