Straus not running for a new term.

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Re: Straus not running for a new term.

Postby ScottDLS » Wed Oct 25, 2017 9:17 pm

SewTexas wrote:there are comments on his FB announcement asking him to run for Gov....please no, no, no...please....


Primary Greg Abbott? Or run as a Democrat since he is one...
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Re: Straus not running for a new term.

Postby SewTexas » Wed Oct 25, 2017 9:31 pm

ScottDLS wrote:
SewTexas wrote:there are comments on his FB announcement asking him to run for Gov....please no, no, no...please....


Primary Greg Abbott? Or run as a Democrat since he is one...


I couldn't figure that one out. Anyone who gets so many "I'm a Democrat and I like you" comments as he was getting isn't much of a Republican that's for sure.
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Re: Straus not running for a new term.

Postby Captain Matt » Wed Oct 25, 2017 9:43 pm

rtschl wrote:The democrats and RINOs will elect another Joe Strauss as Speaker. My Rep is a RINO and has a good rating on 2A issues but he will join the democrats on this. But we need a Speaker that is not a RINO.

As long as they give the right answers on the survey, they can kill gun rights bills behind the scenes all they want.
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Re: Straus not running for a new term.

Postby Charles L. Cotton » Wed Oct 25, 2017 9:49 pm

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rtschl wrote:The democrats and RINOs will elect another Joe Strauss as Speaker. My Rep is a RINO and has a good rating on 2A issues but he will join the democrats on this. But we need a Speaker that is not a RINO.

As long as they give the right answers on the survey, they can kill gun rights bills behind the scenes all they want.


Wrong.

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Re: Straus not running for a new term.

Postby srothstein » Wed Oct 25, 2017 10:12 pm

SewTexas wrote:Anyone who gets so many "I'm a Democrat and I like you" comments as he was getting isn't much of a Republican that's for sure.


I read this in the news today. The Austin Statesman ran a column on what people are saying about this. I told a friend that it was very telling that the comments from Republicans were almost universally looking at what they can pass now (bathroom bill and constitutional carry were the two most common mentioned). At the same time, the comments from the Democrats were almost universally moaning and saying this is a bad thing. The best (as in most polite or least hateful) was saying how it was the last of the "sane" Republicans leaving the legislature.
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Re: Straus not running for a new term.

Postby ScottDLS » Wed Oct 25, 2017 10:20 pm

Charles L. Cotton wrote:
Captain Matt wrote:
rtschl wrote:The democrats and RINOs will elect another Joe Strauss as Speaker. My Rep is a RINO and has a good rating on 2A issues but he will join the democrats on this. But we need a Speaker that is not a RINO.

As long as they give the right answers on the survey, they can kill gun rights bills behind the scenes all they want.


Wrong.

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I would assume the NRA ratings are based on actual votes or legislation sponsored, not just surveys.
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Re: Straus not running for a new term.

Postby Captain Matt » Wed Oct 25, 2017 10:51 pm

ScottDLS wrote:I would assume the NRA ratings are based on actual votes or legislation sponsored, not just surveys.

Maybe so but (1) they don't seem to be based on results and (2) gun rights bills do get killed behind the scenes and I can't recall anybody getting downgraded for it. Either way the lack of transparency in grading results in a lack of usefulness for myself and others. Which is fine if that's what they're shooting for.
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Re: Straus not running for a new term.

Postby Charles L. Cotton » Wed Oct 25, 2017 11:12 pm

Captain Matt wrote:
ScottDLS wrote:I would assume the NRA ratings are based on actual votes or legislation sponsored, not just surveys.

Maybe so but (1) they don't seem to be based on results and (2) gun rights bills do get killed behind the scenes and I can't recall anybody getting downgraded for it. Either way the lack of transparency in grading results in a lack of usefulness for myself and others. Which is fine if that's what they're shooting for.

As ScottDLS noted, grades are based on votes, not questionnaires unless the person is a freshman with no voting record. You act as though we don't pass pro-gun bills and that complete garbage. Gun bills die in the House based upon the Speaker and in the Senate based upon the Lt. Governor. Yet you want to blast all Republicans you call RINOs and the NRA for its rating system. You clearly don't know how the Legislature works.

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Re: Straus not running for a new term.

Postby NotRPB » Thu Oct 26, 2017 11:02 am

Quoted ... from a Leftist's Liberal Blog ... (not my words )
https://socraticgadfly.blogspot.com/201 ... er-in.html
John Zerwas, who falls somewhat between the Straus wing and nutbar wing of the Texas GOP, though closer overall to the Straus wing, has announced his candidacy for the Speakership. Phil King, who is most definitely from the nutbar wing, is also in. Eric Johnson has indicated interest in being the token Democrat.

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Re: Straus not running for a new term.

Postby Vol Texan » Thu Oct 26, 2017 12:05 pm

Charles L. Cotton wrote:
Captain Matt wrote:
ScottDLS wrote:I would assume the NRA ratings are based on actual votes or legislation sponsored, not just surveys.

Maybe so but (1) they don't seem to be based on results and (2) gun rights bills do get killed behind the scenes and I can't recall anybody getting downgraded for it. Either way the lack of transparency in grading results in a lack of usefulness for myself and others. Which is fine if that's what they're shooting for.

As ScottDLS noted, grades are based on votes, not questionnaires unless the person is a freshman with no voting record. You act as though we don't pass pro-gun bills and that complete garbage. Gun bills die in the House based upon the Speaker and in the Senate based upon the Lt. Governor. Yet you want to blast all Republicans you call RINOs and the NRA for its rating system. You clearly don't know how the Legislature works.

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Absolutely true. The power that is concentrated in the Speaker position in the House is difficult to explain. I remember back in school, we had a bonus essay question n this topic for one of our exams.

In my answer, I explained how the Speaker assigns all committees, and all committee chairs. Committee assignments are important to the legislators for a multitude of reasons, to include prestige, re-election positioning, and (of course) maintaining the primary focus of the right lobbyi$t$. You don't want to get kicked off of a 'good' committee if you are in the Texas Lege.

When a bill comes across that the speaker has strong feelings for, then it SHALL be handled by the chairs in the manner as the speaker directs. This can include rushing a bill through, pigeonholing it forever, etc.

If I recall correctly, the closing point to my essay question was to state that, "Failure to do exactly as the Speaker directs can land you on the Lady Bird Johnson Quiltmaking Committee". The prof gave me 'bonus' bonus points for stating it like that.

The parallel to the Speaker's power in the House is the LTG's power in the Senate. That power (coupled with the limits on power assigned to the Gov.) leads many to say that the LTG is more powerful in Texas than is the Governor.
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Re: Straus not running for a new term.

Postby RHenriksen » Thu Oct 26, 2017 2:16 pm

I had to check the calendar & make sure it wasn't April 1...
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Re: Straus not running for a new term.

Postby ninjabread » Thu Oct 26, 2017 6:29 pm

Vol Texan wrote:
Charles L. Cotton wrote:
Captain Matt wrote:
ScottDLS wrote:I would assume the NRA ratings are based on actual votes or legislation sponsored, not just surveys.

Maybe so but (1) they don't seem to be based on results and (2) gun rights bills do get killed behind the scenes and I can't recall anybody getting downgraded for it. Either way the lack of transparency in grading results in a lack of usefulness for myself and others. Which is fine if that's what they're shooting for.

As ScottDLS noted, grades are based on votes, not questionnaires unless the person is a freshman with no voting record. You act as though we don't pass pro-gun bills and that complete garbage. Gun bills die in the House based upon the Speaker and in the Senate based upon the Lt. Governor. Yet you want to blast all Republicans you call RINOs and the NRA for its rating system. You clearly don't know how the Legislature works.

Chas.


Absolutely true. The power that is concentrated in the Speaker position in the House is difficult to explain. I remember back in school, we had a bonus essay question n this topic for one of our exams.

In my answer, I explained how the Speaker assigns all committees, and all committee chairs. Committee assignments are important to the legislators for a multitude of reasons, to include prestige, re-election positioning, and (of course) maintaining the primary focus of the right lobbyi$t$. You don't want to get kicked off of a 'good' committee if you are in the Texas Lege.

When a bill comes across that the speaker has strong feelings for, then it SHALL be handled by the chairs in the manner as the speaker directs. This can include rushing a bill through, pigeonholing it forever, etc.

If I recall correctly, the closing point to my essay question was to state that, "Failure to do exactly as the Speaker directs can land you on the Lady Bird Johnson Quiltmaking Committee". The prof gave me 'bonus' bonus points for stating it like that.

It sounds like the buck stops with the Speaker of the House when progun bills are killed and not allowed to come to a vote on the House floor, like HB560 and HB1911 this year.

It sounds like you deserved your A but it doesn't sound like Joe deserves his.
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Re: Straus not running for a new term.

Postby mojo84 » Fri Oct 27, 2017 8:26 am

What is Straus' NRA 2nd Amendment rating? Were the bills that were killed in committee factored in to his rating?


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Re: Straus not running for a new term.

Postby BBYC » Fri Oct 27, 2017 12:41 pm

mojo84 wrote:What is Straus' NRA 2nd Amendment rating? Were the bills that were killed in committee factored in to his rating?

NRA PVF Grades You can decide for yourself if Joe Straus deserves the grade he was awarded.
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Re: Straus not running for a new term.

Postby allisji » Fri Oct 27, 2017 1:37 pm

BBYC wrote:
mojo84 wrote:What is Straus' NRA 2nd Amendment rating? Were the bills that were killed in committee factored in to his rating?

NRA PVF Grades You can decide for yourself if Joe Straus deserves the grade he was awarded.


I assume that the TSRA-PAC grades reflect the NRA-PVF grades?

Joe Straus gets an A (A+ is the top score available). I would read the rationale behind the grade. I would assume that his voting record is consistently pro-2A, maybe he lost partial credit for seemingly letting good gun bills die without a house hearing? Or more likely he lost partial credit for not authoring or sponsoring very many good gun bills?
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