Still won't vote for Trump?

[crazy2medic]

The right to keep and bear arms means that the government can not do what the British did to our colonial population or what the Nazis did to the Jews in more recent times. The 2nd amendment is to protect you from government, not just the bad guy that breaks into your home. I think in this respect our country is unique. With Obama we are already seeing oppression. When you take your first breath you either buy Obamacare or pay a tax. No freedom of choice. To be alive means you are taxed or must buy a government decided insurance. Didn't see that in The Constitution.

Totally agree that such is the basis for the 2nd amendment.

I definitely don't trust the government, but I feel that it'd be naive of me to think that any amount of civilian firepower would have the capacity to stop a modern government. The Branch Davidians were reasonably well armed and they were only fighting non-military law enforcement. They lost.

Back in the colonial days, a government couldn't launch a drone strike from the other side of the world. The playing field was somewhat level and a well-armed militia could defeat a British force from across the sea. That's simply not true anymore.

There is simply no way that our forefathers could see 200+ years into the future. I'm glad we have 2nd amendment rights, but I really don't think it stops the trolls in congress. Besides, they generally want my money.. Killing the population isn't in their self-interest.

I have seen hesitation on the part of law enforcement to shut down civilians that were operating outside the law, but I think that's more about media coverage the bad press and resulting lawsuits than it is about being unable to find an APC to drive in and shoot people up.

Civilian firepower does not have to outmatch the military in order for an armed citizenry to put a limit on tyranny. And armed citizenry makes it more expensive for the government to come arrest you and whisk you away to an internment camp. That is what happened to countless victims of Soviet, etc. oppression -- they were quietly arrested at midnight by a couple of secret police. You could do that in Stalin's Georgia, but you can't do that in Jimmy Carter's Georgia. You'd have to send a SWAT team, and it would make the news, and it would be both financially and politically expensive.

Add to that once your citizenry figure out that they are truly in a fight and start forcing the government to guard facilities they have never had to guard before it wouldn't be long before they found that there are not enough guards and even the guards are vulnerable!

[parabelum]

Why is the Second Amendment THE most important issue? Because without the second amendment you become a slave to the State, you must bow down to their power because you have no means to resist. The Second Amendment protects our form of government from the socialists like hillary. Donald Trump is our only choice, there is no other, on the up side is he is pulling demographics that no other republican candidate has, he has put States that typically go demcrat in play, this will be a landslide for Trump. But wether or not that happens can you really vote for a socialist in good conscience? Knowing what she is, knowing what she wants and will do, knowing full well that she truly is a criminal can you really vote for her?

I don't see him pulling in American Latino and women. Without those in his side there is no win.

You might be right about woman, though I'm not so sure that in reality he will not get the majority of woman on his side. Woman I know, and some are liberal, don't like Hillary. Matter of fact, they detest her more then they dislike Trump.

As far as Latino, well, Nevada was a decent example in my opinion on how the pollsters and pundits got that one wrong.

When I came to this country, first several years I worked in construction with mostly people from Mexican origin. Some to this day are close friends.

I can tell you that Mexican man are very machismo and proud Family man. They are Christian man who would be among the last to submit to Sharia. This is also my observation, Mexican males will in large numbers vote for Trump behind curtain, because they culturaly do not want a woman, especially one like Hillary, ruling over them.

And those Latinos that I'm speaking of, the ones here legally, detest illegals who come here and act a fool, as in San Jose not long ago.

Like most of us legal immigrants, we would be amongst the first to kick those who entered illegally behinds out of our country.

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I regret seeing so many folks thinking they need protection from their government. Comparison of our political system to that of Nazi Germany seems unrealistic to me.

I enjoy this forum because I am pro 2A and conservative but also follow conservative commentators Charles Krauthammer, George Will, Joe Scarborough and my favorite David Brooks... Could they be right about Trump?

[rotor]

I regret seeing so many folks thinking they need protection from their government. Comparison of our political system to that of Nazi Germany seems unrealistic to me.

I enjoy this forum because I am pro 2A and conservative but also follow conservative commentators Charles Krauthammer, George Will, Joe Scarborough and my favorite David Brooks... Could they be right about Trump?

It was the people who wrote the Bill of Rights that feared their government and if you read history you will see how vicious The British were to their own citizens, our forefathers. The largest murderer of humans is government. My family roots are Austria and Poland. None of the relatives my grandmother talked about ever thought they would end up in concentration camp ovens.

Look at the bill just passed in Hawaii, essentially a database of gun owners. Easy to confiscate from honest people when you have a database. I don't think I am paranoid but watching sit ins in The House, legislation in Hawaii, California, NY, Connecticut, who knows what will happen especially when none of it reduces the risk of a terrorist attack but does limit honest gun owners. Don't you think there will be another AR15 (or worse) ban with the wicked witch of the west in office?

I like the conservative commentators that you follow also. Unfortunately they are not always right. Obama is president and Trump won the primaries (they were wrong). Even though they said it couldn't happen. I used to think Dick Morris was smart too. Where is he now?

[parabelum]

I regret seeing so many folks thinking they need protection from their government. Comparison of our political system to that of Nazi Germany seems unrealistic to me.

I enjoy this forum because I am pro 2A and conservative but also follow conservative commentators Charles Krauthammer, George Will, Joe Scarborough and my favorite David Brooks... Could they be right about Trump?

Huh?

Do you think Nazi Germany just puff and happened over night?
And the ones you mentioned above I can live without.

You can always go and post in Salon, no offense. This is about survival of our Nation at this point. Not to mention 2A, so please...

Forgot to ask, NRA, Sherrif Joe, Sen. Sessions, Border Patrol Union etc., are they all misguided and wrong?

Pundits?

[crazy2medic]

I enjoy this forum because I am pro 2A and conservative but also follow conservative commentators Charles Krauthammer, George Will, Joe Scarborough and my favorite David Brooks... Could they be right about Trump

Could they be right about Trump? I doubt it, they are political pundits they make a living by their opinions, so many of them have said Trump would never last past October, he did! They said Trump would never be able to secure enough delegates, he did! Nobody makes the fortune that Trump has made by being stupid, he's smart enough to see that people need jobs and that we need to bring home our factories, he sees that we are being attacked by a radical group that murders innocent civilians for an agenda the rest of us don't want in this country, he sees the mistreatment of our veterans by a system that was meant to take care of them for their service to this country! Those pundits along with the Establishment politicians that have stabbed the American citizens in the back are terrified because Trump will dismantle their gravy train! It's time to pitch a monkey wrench into the corrupt political machine, that monkey wrench is Donald Trump

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It's time to pitch a monkey wrench into the corrupt political machine, that monkey wrench is Donald Trump

That is some scary logic. We are talking about the office of President of the United States, aren't we?

[parabelum]

It's time to pitch a monkey wrench into the corrupt political machine, that monkey wrench is Donald Trump

That is some scary logic. We are talking about the office of President of the United States, aren't we?

Ok, so what might your proposal/solution be, aside from thrashing the presumptive Republican Presidential nominee?

I am not trying to be rude, but I don't get the point.

[crazy2medic]

Yes we are talking about the President of the United States, and over the last 8 years I have been witness to a President that's sole qualification to be President has been he was a Community organizer, he has ignored the laws of the land duly passed by congress, failed to protect our borders, used the office of the Attorney General to run guns to the drug cartels, used the IRS to go after his political enemies, he has ignored the U.S.Constitution, allowed 4 men in libya to die to coverup his and hillary's gun running to syria to supply ISIS with weapons, I have not only seen the Republican party fail to stop him but have actually crawl in bed with him! So yes the political machine needs a monkey wrench pitched into the gears, the "system" both side of the aisle needs to be show that they will answer to the citizens of this country! Mr.Trump is not beholding to any of them! He at least is talking the way most of us think, people have to have jobs, threats need to be kept out of this country, seal the borders time to have a Presidentthat will do his JOB!
The four boxes left to us by our founding fathers, the soap box has been taken over by the liberal media, the jury box has been abrogated by corrupt activist judges, the ballot box is dangerously close to failure, after that the ammo box will be all we have left, Vote Trump maybe he can drag us back from the abyss.

[joe817]

It's time to pitch a monkey wrench into the corrupt political machine, that monkey wrench is Donald Trump

That is some scary logic. We are talking about the office of President of the United States, aren't we?

Ok, so what might your proposal/solution be, aside from thrashing the presumptive Republican Presidential nominee?

I am not trying to be rude, but I don't get the point.

I'm thinking that crazy2medic is trying to make a point by saying Trump will disrupt/derail/clean up the corrupt political machine we now have.....

I think.

[crazy2medic]

It's time to pitch a monkey wrench into the corrupt political machine, that monkey wrench is Donald Trump

That is some scary logic. We are talking about the office of President of the United States, aren't we?

Ok, so what might your proposal/solution be, aside from thrashing the presumptive Republican Presidential nominee?

I am not trying to be rude, but I don't get the point.

I'm thinking that crazy2medic is trying to make a point by saying Trump will disrupt/derail/clean up the corrupt political machine we now have.....

I think.

You Sir are Correct

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It's time to pitch a monkey wrench into the corrupt political machine, that monkey wrench is Donald Trump

That is some scary logic. We are talking about the office of President of the United States, aren't we?

Ok, so what might your proposal/solution be, aside from thrashing the presumptive Republican Presidential nominee?

I am not trying to be rude, but I don't get the point.

Well, let's try to find some presidential candidate that the majority might think is qualified. According to New York Magazine 2/3 of voters think Trump is unqualified and I don't think they are talking about age or citizenship. The Republican Convention is coming up and many Texas delegates would like the freedom to vote their conscience. I wish them luck.

[parabelum]

It's time to pitch a monkey wrench into the corrupt political machine, that monkey wrench is Donald Trump

That is some scary logic. We are talking about the office of President of the United States, aren't we?

Ok, so what might your proposal/solution be, aside from thrashing the presumptive Republican Presidential nominee?

I am not trying to be rude, but I don't get the point.

I'm thinking that crazy2medic is trying to make a point by saying Trump will disrupt/derail/clean up the corrupt political machine we now have.....

I think.

You Sir are Correct

I was trying to quote Mr.Blanker.

Yes, crazy2medic is 100% right on.

[parabelum]

It's time to pitch a monkey wrench into the corrupt political machine, that monkey wrench is Donald Trump

That is some scary logic. We are talking about the office of President of the United States, aren't we?

Ok, so what might your proposal/solution be, aside from thrashing the presumptive Republican Presidential nominee?

I am not trying to be rude, but I don't get the point.

Well, let's try to find some presidential candidate that the majority might think is qualified. According to New York Magazine 2/3 of voters think Trump is unqualified and I don't think they are talking about age or citizenship. The Republican Convention is coming up and many Texas delegates would like the freedom to vote their conscience. I wish them luck.

Majority has already spoken and Trump has been selected. We have been the silenced majority for far too long, no more.

I guess I belong to the dumb 1/3 who believe that Trump will lead us in the right direction.

[flowrie]

All of this back and forth, changes nothing.
Vote for Trump = A chance to keep the 2nd Amendment.
Vote for Hillary or no vote at all or vote for third party = Loss of 2nd Amendment.

Not a great choice, but I do lots of things in my life that I don't like to do, but I choose the best choice AVAILABLE and go with it.
Part of being a grownup.