Pro Gun Supporters have got it Wrong

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Re: Pro Gun Supporters have got it Wrong

Postby LucasMcCain » Mon Oct 10, 2016 11:48 am

The trend I have been really seeing lately is the fear-mongering. Part of the left's agenda is promoting fear in the population. I have heard again and again from liberals that they "just want something to be done" about whatever is currently scaring them. Terrorists, cop shootings, people rioting, mass shooters, whatever the boogeyman of the day is. They just want something to be done. Enter Big Government, which promises to take care of all of these scary bad things. Just give up some of your personal rights and submit; Big Government will make it all better.

They want the people to actually ask for the government to take more power. They want us to ask for a totalitarian regime. The scary thing is, it's working more and more. If it works completely, the government run media will just stop reporting all of these scary things when they happen, and Big Government will say "you're welcome." Our glorious leader has pardoned hundreds of criminals, opened our borders to terrorists, invited the leaders of hate groups to the white house, and pushed for more government power every time an atrocity results. This is an agenda of promoting fear, and setting Big Government up as the hero.

They hate guns in the hands of civilians, because we are not afraid. We take responsibility for our own safety and defense. We don't need the government to protect us. We aren't afraid of the terrorists, mass shooters, BLM, muggers, rapists, crazy clowns or whatever else you got. I carry to protect me and mine first, then you and yours if you happen to be in my vicinity when the boogeyman appears. We are the enemy because we know Big Government won't protect us from the boogeyman. Big Government IS the boogeyman.
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Re: Pro Gun Supporters have got it Wrong

Postby Jusme » Mon Oct 10, 2016 5:56 pm

LucasMcCain wrote:The trend I have been really seeing lately is the fear-mongering. Part of the left's agenda is promoting fear in the population. I have heard again and again from liberals that they "just want something to be done" about whatever is currently scaring them. Terrorists, cop shootings, people rioting, mass shooters, whatever the boogeyman of the day is. They just want something to be done. Enter Big Government, which promises to take care of all of these scary bad things. Just give up some of your personal rights and submit; Big Government will make it all better.

They want the people to actually ask for the government to take more power. They want us to ask for a totalitarian regime. The scary thing is, it's working more and more. If it works completely, the government run media will just stop reporting all of these scary things when they happen, and Big Government will say "you're welcome." Our glorious leader has pardoned hundreds of criminals, opened our borders to terrorists, invited the leaders of hate groups to the white house, and pushed for more government power every time an atrocity results. This is an agenda of promoting fear, and setting Big Government up as the hero.

They hate guns in the hands of civilians, because we are not afraid. We take responsibility for our own safety and defense. We don't need the government to protect us. We aren't afraid of the terrorists, mass shooters, BLM, muggers, rapists, crazy clowns or whatever else you got. I carry to protect me and mine first, then you and yours if you happen to be in my vicinity when the boogeyman appears. We are the enemy because we know Big Government won't protect us from the boogeyman. Big Government IS the boogeyman.



Well said, Lucas McCain, all of the fear mongering is not only caused by the left with their policies, it is held up as a reason for more government control. While their agenda, makes no provisions for dealing with the actual problems, it provides them more inroads to erode freedom.
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Re: Pro Gun Supporters have got it Wrong

Postby mayor » Mon Oct 10, 2016 6:54 pm

Say whut?

The Annoyed Man wrote:The bottom line is that, with socialists / progressives / "social democrats" (whatever that is), the key is control of the population. If the population goes along with your leftist agenda, then there is no need to disarm them in order to exert that control. If you have to ram that agenda down the population's throat against their willing acquiescence, then you have to disarm them to make it stick. In WW2 Germany, it might not have been illegal for a good burger from some farming community to have a hunting rifle........unless he was a Jew, because it was MOST certainly illegal for Jews to own firearms. Why? Because they would never have consented to the "final solution"........they had to be dragged to it in cattle cars. Guns in Jewish hands would have most certainly made it costly to try and round them up for the camps. Witness the Warsaw Uprising as an example. All that in a supposedly progressive nation (naziism was, after all, national socialism for the workers), but one which, like most of Europe, was (and remains today) deeply anti-Semitic.

Modern liberals in America don't defend the 2nd Amendment for three main reasons:

(1) They agree with the leftist agenda and will willingly cooperate with it.
(2) They mostly don't have any kind of individual investment in firearms, so it isn't their ox being gored when draconian gun laws are passed.
(3) They have the same kind of opinion of gun-owners that 1940s Germans had of Jews - as troglodytes who should be suppressed because they are a stumbling block to the enactment of that leftist agenda.

Just look how common it is now to see opinions posted on the Internet these days, to the effect that gun owners should all be killed, or sent to concentration camps, or how (despite the evidence to the contrary) we are all a bunch of mouth-breathing privileged white racist rapist males.

Just as there was in 1940s Germany, there will be some liberals who may not like guns, and will support anti-gun legislation, but who will be personally uncomfortable with draconian treatment of gun owners.......and JUST like 1940s Germans, they'll keep their mouths shut because they know what's good for them. I do not mean to trivialize the holocaust, but in that sense, gun owners are America's Jews, when it comes to the left.

It really is all about control. If they don't need to force you to comply, then you can keep your guns.


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