Woman calls 911....Get shot

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Re: Woman calls 911....Get shot

Postby baseballguy2001 » Sat Dec 30, 2017 5:50 pm

All these weeks and months later, the DA up there has decided he needs more time.

December 28, 2017 - MINNEAPOLIS
A Minnesota prosecutor said Thursday that he needs more time to decide whether to charge a police officer who fatally shot an Australian woman after she called 911 for help. Officer Noor has not spoken publicly about the case and has declined to speak with state investigators.

What's the hold up you ask? Hmm - Hennepin County Attorney Mike Freeman had promised a charging decision by year's end. But on Thursday, he said his office was "getting more information and evidence, and additional investigation must be completed."

"The investigation and review of the case will not be rushed," he said in a statement.

Then we see this paragraph - Freeman was captured on video two weeks ago at a holiday reception saying investigators hadn't brought him enough evidence to warrant charging the officer. On Thursday, he set no new timetable for a charging decision but said he had spoken with Damond's family to inform them of the delay.

Gee, don't ya think the guy who made the kill shot should answer up? Tell his side of the story? The article claims he's still an officer so that tells me he's being paid. Come to America, shoot and kill an Australian woman, get paid a salary. Is that in the recruiting brochures?
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Re: Woman calls 911....Get shot

Postby MechAg94 » Sat Dec 30, 2017 7:36 pm

If the officer fails to make any sort of statement, don't have have to assume manslaughter at the very least? They know he shot the lady. I would not think they could just assume it was a justified shoot without evidence to show that.

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Re: Woman calls 911....Get shot

Postby parabelum » Sat Dec 30, 2017 7:47 pm

Bet you’d be treated differently in the court of “law”.
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Re: Woman calls 911....Get shot

Postby srothstein » Sun Dec 31, 2017 1:59 am

baseballguy2001 wrote:Gee, don't ya think the guy who made the kill shot should answer up? Tell his side of the story?


I think he should, but I always advise everyone to not talk to the police. He has the right to not answer any questions in a criminal investigation, just like any other suspect. I am wondering if the department got anything from him for an internal investigation. They can order a statement and force it, but it cannot be used against him in a criminal case (Garrity v. New Mexico I think).

And I would suggest that they proceed with their internal discipline anyway. Without knowing everything about the case, I would suggest that it certainly appears unjustified. If he tells a story which justifies it, then their investigation should be completed and the story made public (depends on state laws if it ever has to be or not). And if he doesn't justify it, then he should be fired, without regard tot he criminal investigation.

And the DA should be able to get an indictment based on what has been released tot he papers, especially if the officer has not produced anything to contradict the public material.
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Re: Woman calls 911....Get shot

Postby talltex » Mon Jan 01, 2018 2:08 pm

srothstein wrote:
baseballguy2001 wrote:Gee, don't ya think the guy who made the kill shot should answer up? Tell his side of the story?


I think he should, but I always advise everyone to not talk to the police. He has the right to not answer any questions in a criminal investigation, just like any other suspect. I am wondering if the department got anything from him for an internal investigation. They can order a statement and force it, but it cannot be used against him in a criminal case (Garrity v. New Mexico I think).

And I would suggest that they proceed with their internal discipline anyway. Without knowing everything about the case, I would suggest that it certainly appears unjustified. If he tells a story which justifies it, then their investigation should be completed and the story made public (depends on state laws if it ever has to be or not). And if he doesn't justify it, then he should be fired, without regard tot he criminal investigation.

And the DA should be able to get an indictment based on what has been released tot he papers, especially if the officer has not produced anything to contradict the public material.

I agree with most of what you just posted. I still have a major problem with the handling of the incident from the start. If it had been a citizen that shot an innocent woman by mistake because he was startled--or just felt threatened--or because he mistook a cell phone for a gun--or because it was dark and he was "jumpy" because some officers had recently been shot sitting in their car (that one is really a stretch since he was "threatened" by a women in pajamas approaching two armed officers in a marked police car after she had called for their help)--the citizen would have immediately been arrested and taken to jail to await an arraignment, hopefully within 24 hours, where he would have been charged with something and either have been released on PR or had to make bail to be released pending the outcome of the investigation. The officer never faced any of that. He has been placed on paid leave and has refused to make a statement for 5 months. How long could it possibly take to determine the facts of this case? What happened is not in question--merely was there enough justification for him to have shot her under the circumstances. I cannot comprehend a civilian in the same circumstances where the investigation would not have been concluded within a few weeks at most. This has just been stalled and allowed to drag on for 5 months in hopes that it will just fall off the radar and I find that unconscionable.
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Re: Woman calls 911....Get shot

Postby crazy2medic » Mon Jan 01, 2018 8:09 pm

The family needs to file a wrongful death suit against the department and have the records from the investigation subpeonaed!
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