Root Cause Analysis Training

Photo testing, etc.

Moderators: Keith B, carlson1

User avatar

Topic author
WildBill
Senior Member
Posts: 16463
Joined: Tue Jul 03, 2007 12:53 pm
Location: Houston

Root Cause Analysis Training

Postby WildBill » Tue Aug 18, 2015 1:31 pm

Image
Last edited by WildBill on Tue Aug 18, 2015 4:41 pm, edited 9 times in total.
NRA Endowment Member

User avatar

suthdj
Senior Member
Posts: 2249
Joined: Mon Apr 20, 2009 8:49 pm
Location: North Ft Worth(Alliance area)

Re: Root Cause Analysis Training

Postby suthdj » Tue Aug 18, 2015 2:17 pm

Just another way to have people document thier jobs so they can be handed to somebody with half the real knowelege at half the pay.
21-Apr-09 filed online
05-Sep-09 Plastic Arrived
09-Sep-13 Plastic Arrived

User avatar

Topic author
WildBill
Senior Member
Posts: 16463
Joined: Tue Jul 03, 2007 12:53 pm
Location: Houston

Re: Root Cause Analysis Training

Postby WildBill » Tue Aug 18, 2015 3:19 pm

suthdj wrote:Just another way to have people document their jobs so they can be handed to somebody with half the real knowledge at half the pay.

You show a great deal of wisdom, sir. :tiphat:
NRA Endowment Member

User avatar

mojo84
Senior Member
Posts: 7812
Joined: Tue Jun 21, 2011 4:07 pm
Location: Boerne, TX (Kendall County)

Re: Root Cause Analysis Training

Postby mojo84 » Tue Aug 18, 2015 4:50 pm

suthdj wrote:Just another way to have people document thier jobs so they can be handed to somebody with half the real knowelege at half the pay.



You are one cynical son of a gun.


Notice I didn't disagree with you. Welcome to the club. :thumbs2:


txcharvel
Member
Posts: 190
Joined: Wed Jun 05, 2013 7:28 pm
Location: Austin, TX

Re: Root Cause Analysis Training

Postby txcharvel » Tue Aug 18, 2015 4:51 pm

It really bugs me when people use the term root cause. Rarely if ever will you find a root cause, it's usually several causes that are all contributing factors to system failures. I much prefer the causal tree process

Sorry, I'll get off my engineering geek soap box now :coolgleamA:

User avatar

Topic author
WildBill
Senior Member
Posts: 16463
Joined: Tue Jul 03, 2007 12:53 pm
Location: Houston

Re: Root Cause Analysis Training

Postby WildBill » Tue Aug 18, 2015 4:53 pm

txcharvel wrote:It really bugs me when people use the term root cause. Rarely if ever will you find a root cause, it's usually several causes that are all contributing factors to system failures. I much prefer the causal tree process

Sorry, I'll get off my engineering geek soap box now :coolgleamA:


That is also part of the training module. ;-)
NRA Endowment Member

User avatar

Topic author
WildBill
Senior Member
Posts: 16463
Joined: Tue Jul 03, 2007 12:53 pm
Location: Houston

Re: Root Cause Analysis Training

Postby WildBill » Tue Aug 18, 2015 5:08 pm

Image
Last edited by WildBill on Tue Aug 18, 2015 5:40 pm, edited 1 time in total.
NRA Endowment Member

User avatar

suthdj
Senior Member
Posts: 2249
Joined: Mon Apr 20, 2009 8:49 pm
Location: North Ft Worth(Alliance area)

Re: Root Cause Analysis Training

Postby suthdj » Tue Aug 18, 2015 5:36 pm

txcharvel wrote:It really bugs me when people use the term root cause. Rarely if ever will you find a root cause, it's usually several causes that are all contributing factors to system failures. I much prefer the causal tree process

Sorry, I'll get off my engineering geek soap box now :coolgleamA:


I prefer not having and overly complex methodology when all you have to do is ask why and have the skills to answer that question until there's no longer the need to ask why. That a nutshell its root cause analysis.
21-Apr-09 filed online
05-Sep-09 Plastic Arrived
09-Sep-13 Plastic Arrived

User avatar

Topic author
WildBill
Senior Member
Posts: 16463
Joined: Tue Jul 03, 2007 12:53 pm
Location: Houston

Re: Root Cause Analysis Training

Postby WildBill » Tue Aug 18, 2015 5:57 pm

suthdj wrote:
txcharvel wrote:It really bugs me when people use the term root cause. Rarely if ever will you find a root cause, it's usually several causes that are all contributing factors to system failures. I much prefer the causal tree process

Sorry, I'll get off my engineering geek soap box now :coolgleamA:


I prefer not having and overly complex methodology when all you have to do is ask why and have the skills to answer that question until there's no longer the need to ask why. That a nutshell its root cause analysis.

I agree, but most people still have to be taught the basic skills on what questions to ask, how to ask them and how to answer them. :tiphat:
NRA Endowment Member

User avatar

G26ster
Senior Member
Posts: 2361
Joined: Wed Feb 03, 2010 5:28 pm
Location: DFW

Re: Root Cause Analysis Training

Postby G26ster » Tue Aug 18, 2015 7:33 pm

Wow, that reference from ISO9000 brought back some real nightmarish memories :shock: One of the reasons "root cause analysis" has such poor results in many companies is they simply don't fully grasp the real simplicity of ISO, and create a big, heavy, cumbersome system that works for no one. I'm so glad I'm retired :lol:

User avatar

jmra
Senior Member
Posts: 10314
Joined: Tue Feb 03, 2009 6:51 am
Location: Ellis County

Re: Root Cause Analysis Training

Postby jmra » Tue Aug 18, 2015 9:13 pm

:iagree:
ISO9000 and Kaizen meetings - two of my most reoccurring nightmares.
Life is tough, but it's tougher when you're stupid.
John Wayne
NRA Lifetime member

User avatar

suthdj
Senior Member
Posts: 2249
Joined: Mon Apr 20, 2009 8:49 pm
Location: North Ft Worth(Alliance area)

Re: Root Cause Analysis Training

Postby suthdj » Tue Aug 18, 2015 9:26 pm

mojo84 wrote:
suthdj wrote:Just another way to have people document thier jobs so they can be handed to somebody with half the real knowelege at half the pay.



You are one cynical son of a gun.


Notice I didn't disagree with you. Welcome to the club. :thumbs2:

Yes, yes, thanks I think
21-Apr-09 filed online
05-Sep-09 Plastic Arrived
09-Sep-13 Plastic Arrived

User avatar

suthdj
Senior Member
Posts: 2249
Joined: Mon Apr 20, 2009 8:49 pm
Location: North Ft Worth(Alliance area)

Re: Root Cause Analysis Training

Postby suthdj » Tue Aug 18, 2015 9:29 pm

jmra wrote::iagree:
ISO9000 and Kaizen meetings - two of my most reoccurring nightmares.

We got kaizen also do you work for a Japanese company also?
21-Apr-09 filed online
05-Sep-09 Plastic Arrived
09-Sep-13 Plastic Arrived

User avatar

RetNavy
Senior Member
Posts: 515
Joined: Wed Jan 08, 2014 9:21 am
Location: Paris, Tx

Re: Root Cause Analysis Training

Postby RetNavy » Tue Aug 18, 2015 9:36 pm

while i was still working found most of the root causes of problems was the operator screwed up
"Freedom itself was attacked this morning by a faceless coward. Freedom will be defended!"
-President George W. Bush, September 11, 2001

User avatar

jmra
Senior Member
Posts: 10314
Joined: Tue Feb 03, 2009 6:51 am
Location: Ellis County

Re: Root Cause Analysis Training

Postby jmra » Tue Aug 18, 2015 9:57 pm

suthdj wrote:
jmra wrote::iagree:
ISO9000 and Kaizen meetings - two of my most reoccurring nightmares.

We got kaizen also do you work for a Japanese company also?

No. I worked for an international communications company that adopted the kaizen philosophy - I left 11 years ago to spend more time with my family.
Life is tough, but it's tougher when you're stupid.
John Wayne
NRA Lifetime member


Return to “Test Area”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest