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Instructor proficiency - LTC-8?

Postby mloamiller » Sun Sep 24, 2017 1:23 pm

Me and a friend of mine who, is also an LTC instructor, shot our renewal proficiency together yesterday and signed each other's LTC-100. Do we each have to submit an LTC-8 as well, or just send in the LTC-100?
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Postby Mike S » Sun Sep 24, 2017 4:52 pm

Yes, Sir. Both will need to submit LTC-8's.
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Postby mloamiller » Tue Sep 26, 2017 12:45 pm

I had a mix up on the LTC-8 I submitted, so I called DPS about sending in a corrected form. They told me that in this instance - an instructor renewal proficiency - we do not have to submit the LTC-8. The instructor only has to submit the LTC-100 for themselves.
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Postby surferdaddy » Tue Sep 26, 2017 4:14 pm

Ok, so no ltc-8 then; just the LTC-100 from the certifying instructor.
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Re: Instructor proficiency - LTC-8?

Postby montgomery » Tue Sep 26, 2017 4:31 pm

No mention of LTC-8 as a required document for renewal:

All Instructors will need to get with another Certified LTC Instructor and shoot the LTC Course of fire with both a revolver and a semi-automatic weapon. Once you have passed both, you will complete the Proficiency portion of the CHL100. Be sure that the top portion and Student Signature area are also completed. I have asked that you write “Instructor Renewal” across the top of the page so it is quickly identified by others in my office as an Instructor document and it is forwarded to me quicker. The CHL100 is due prior to your Renewal Certificate being issued. You can do this ahead of time and submit it either by uploading it on the website, emailing to this email address or by faxing it to 512-424-7284.

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Re: Instructor proficiency - LTC-8?

Postby Mike S » Tue Sep 26, 2017 6:56 pm

I'm not doubting that someone from RSD told you that, however it was asked during the Instructor Renewal Class, & the RSD rep there (don't recall her name, but she spoke with authority & generally was able to cite where info could be found in the Admin Rules for pretty much any off the wall questions that came up) clearly stated we were to submit LTC-8's for any instructors we certified.

Regarding what Montgomery posted above, this references what the person who is renewing his/her Instructor Certificate needs to submit via the Supporting Documents portal (the LTC-100 they received from the instructor that conducted their requal). The LTC-8 isn't something that the renewing party would create/submit; that's the responsibility of the instructor that's conducting the range.

Regardless if they want it, I'd definitely recommend keeping a copy in your records (& retaining for 5 years according to the updated Admin Rules) along with the confirmation email that it was received, & your copy of the LTC-100.
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Re: Instructor proficiency - LTC-8?

Postby mloamiller » Wed Sep 27, 2017 7:16 am

I'll give it a week and if my online status hasn't changed (i.e. still says waiting for proficiency), I'll call them again.

Related - I was pleasantly surprised that when I called the first time - around noon - the wait time was only four minutes.
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Re: Instructor proficiency - LTC-8?

Postby mloamiller » Tue Oct 03, 2017 3:16 pm

Final update - we both received our renewed certificates yesterday - right at a week after we submitted the LTC-100s.

Unfortunately this doesn't answer the question about whether the LTC-8 was required or not. The other guy submitted one for me; I submitted one for him as well, but I used his LTC number instead of his DL number. So, the LTC-8 either wasn't required, or RDS accepted it with an LTC number instead of DL.
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Re: Instructor proficiency - LTC-8?

Postby twomillenium » Mon Oct 09, 2017 7:23 am

mloamiller wrote:Final update - we both received our renewed certificates yesterday - right at a week after we submitted the LTC-100s.

Unfortunately this doesn't answer the question about whether the LTC-8 was required or not. The other guy submitted one for me; I submitted one for him as well, but I used his LTC number instead of his DL number. So, the LTC-8 either wasn't required, or RDS accepted it with an LTC number instead of DL.

In the instructor renewal class I attended, we were told that an LTC-8 was required. That does answer the question, what they do with it is not under my direct supervision.
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Re: Instructor proficiency - LTC-8?

Postby mloamiller » Mon Oct 09, 2017 7:30 am

twomillenium wrote:In the instructor renewal class I attended, we were told that an LTC-8 was required. That does answer the question, what they do with it is not under my direct supervision.

Someone else made the same comment - about being told this during the renewal class. However, when I called RDS, I was told it wasn't necessary.

Safest thing to do, of course, is send one in.
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Re: Instructor proficiency - LTC-8?

Postby twomillenium » Mon Oct 09, 2017 11:10 am

mloamiller wrote:
twomillenium wrote:In the instructor renewal class I attended, we were told that an LTC-8 was required. That does answer the question, what they do with it is not under my direct supervision.

Someone else made the same comment - about being told this during the renewal class. However, when I called RDS, I was told it wasn't necessary.

Safest thing to do, of course, is send one in.

Something tells me that the folks giving the instructor class were probably more knowledgeable than the ones who first answer the phone. Fortunately, DPS tends not to punish one instructor for the lack of following instructions by another instructor, unless there is an indication of deliberate dishonesty.
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Re: Instructor proficiency - LTC-8?

Postby Charles L. Cotton » Mon Oct 09, 2017 11:59 am

I submitted an LTC-8 when I hosted the instructor session at PSC. The purpose of the document is to help DPS confirm that an LTC-100/CHL-100 is turned in by someone who actually attended the class/range session. I don't know why that would be different for instructors, but I could be wrong.

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