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Lever-action pistol

Postby skeathley » Wed Oct 25, 2017 7:59 pm

Is a lever-action pistol legal for the LTC? A student called, has a Rossi Ranch Hand. He says it is classified as a pistol, and can be carried in a holster. I have not seen one since the 1960s.

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Re: Lever-action pistol

Postby flechero » Wed Oct 25, 2017 8:25 pm

Fist off I don't know the right answer...

While its legally considered a handgun (that's probably what matters) I don't think it's practical or fills the intent of the LTC application. An AR "pistol" is much the same, IMO. Lots of things can be holstered. ...lol


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Re: Lever-action pistol

Postby skeathley » Wed Oct 25, 2017 8:39 pm

True, but there are a lot of guns that are hardly concealable: CZ75, M&P .45, 6 inch .357 Magnum, etc.
This can technically be fired with one hand, which is the State definition of a handgun. I would have said no, but don't think I am justified in doing so. It's not much more absurd than an 8 inch single-action .22 revolver.

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Re: Lever-action pistol

Postby Pawpaw » Wed Oct 25, 2017 9:20 pm

I can't think of a single reason why you couldn't.

Think about it a minute:

You can legally carry a pistol, either openly or concealed, if you have an LTC.

You can legally carry a long gun, either openly or concealed, whether you have an LTC or not.'

So, if you have an LTC, what law would you be breaking?
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Re: Lever-action pistol

Postby skeathley » Wed Oct 25, 2017 10:14 pm

Carrying it is not an issue. My question is whether it is acceptable for use in the Proficiency. It is neither a semi-automatic nor a revolver, and looks like an SBR, but it seems to be classified as a pistol. It can be fired with one hand, which fits the Penal Code definition, although a person would typically use both hands, same as most other handguns.

I don't want to deny him without a valid reason, but haven't found one yet.

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Re: Lever-action pistol

Postby rotor » Thu Oct 26, 2017 12:35 am

Previous law required testing with a semi-auto which allowed semi-auto or revolver carry. Previous law said if revolver was used for test than revolver only could be carried. Present law says either can be used to qualify and either can be carried. I would not classify a lever action pistol as a revolver or a semi-auto and therefore in my opinion it could not be used for test. My opinion only and I could not find any support beyond what I have presented.

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Re: Lever-action pistol

Postby rob777 » Thu Oct 26, 2017 7:08 am

I think there might be a distinction between "can" be fired with one hand vs the definition that says it's "designed" to be fired with one hand. Watched guys on the tv shot Top Shot a few years back firing AKs with one hand. Also agree with the couple of comments that it's not a semi-auto or revolver so doesn't quite meet the requirements.
I'm stilling debating (in my own head) whether AR 'pistols' should/could be allowed for the proficiency test...
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Re: Lever-action pistol

Postby skeathley » Thu Oct 26, 2017 4:12 pm

I decided to disallow this gun for the Proficiency. It violates the spirit of the law, if not the letter.

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