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Re: 30.06 vs 30.07 reporting

Postby ScottDLS » Sat Mar 11, 2017 9:58 am

Ktashford wrote:It's not a private entity thought. It's a publicly owned company. And I tried to find all the requirements for a company to be able to have 30.06 signs and I don't see that they meet any. Not saying I'm 100% correct. I could have missed something. But why don't they have a legit 30.06 sign? I've never seen a 30.6. I know it's a tiny detail but to my knowledge, 30.06 and 30.6 are 2 different regulations. Or am I wrong?


It's not a "government entity", therefore no problem with them enforcing a properly posted 30.06 sign. 30.6 is likely just a typo, though it arguably renders the sign legally unenforceable.
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Re: 30.06 vs 30.07 reporting

Postby warnmar10 » Sat Mar 11, 2017 11:46 pm

Ktashford wrote:Everything else seems to appear legit but my comany has done things like this before. The Hispanic writing is correct but not the English. I don't think my comany has any legal standing to have 30.06 regulations but I am looking in to it. It's a storage warehouse. No drugs, alcohol, chemicals, anything like that.

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Re: 30.06 vs 30.07 reporting

Postby jmorris » Sat Mar 11, 2017 11:59 pm

Ktashford wrote:It's not a private entity though. It's a publicly owned company. And I tried to find all the requirements for a company to be able to have 30.06 signs and I don't see that they meet any. Not saying I'm 100% correct. I could have missed something. But why don't they have a legit 30.06 sign? I've never seen a 30.6. I know it's a tiny detail but to my knowledge, 30.06 and 30.6 are 2 different regulations. Or am I wrong?


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Re: 30.06 vs 30.07 reporting

Postby C-dub » Sun Mar 12, 2017 7:41 am

I think being a "publicly owned" company and a government entity are two very different things. Government entities own very few if any companies.

Regarding the 30.06 vs 30.6 issue, if the errors seem like they may be typos and just an incorrectly worded sign and everything else is correct then I would not take the chance. That doesn't mean that I'm saying it is a valid sign. I'm just saying that I can't afford to take that chance.
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Re: 30.06 vs 30.07 reporting

Postby Ktashford » Sun Mar 12, 2017 11:21 am

Thanks for all the advice!

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Re: 30.06 vs 30.07 reporting

Postby ScottDLS » Sun Mar 12, 2017 11:26 am

C-dub wrote:I think being a "publicly owned" company and a government entity are two very different things. Government entities own very few if any companies.

Regarding the 30.06 vs 30.6 issue, if the errors seem like they may be typos and just an incorrectly worded sign and everything else is correct then I would not take the chance. That doesn't mean that I'm saying it is a valid sign. I'm just saying that I can't afford to take that chance.


I can afford to take the chance (of having to fight a $200 ticket in JP court), even though I still have two children to send to college. :biggrinjester:

Now if said 30.6 sign were posted at my employer, I may consider more carefully. However, since my employer is in Rockville, MD, I typically don't carry when I'm in the office. :lol:
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Re: 30.06 vs 30.07 reporting

Postby C-dub » Sun Mar 12, 2017 12:10 pm

ScottDLS wrote:
C-dub wrote:I think being a "publicly owned" company and a government entity are two very different things. Government entities own very few if any companies.

Regarding the 30.06 vs 30.6 issue, if the errors seem like they may be typos and just an incorrectly worded sign and everything else is correct then I would not take the chance. That doesn't mean that I'm saying it is a valid sign. I'm just saying that I can't afford to take that chance.


I can afford to take the chance (of having to fight a $200 ticket in JP court), even though I still have two children to send to college. :biggrinjester:

Now if said 30.6 sign were posted at my employer, I may consider more carefully. However, since my employer is in Rockville, MD, I typically don't carry when I'm in the office. :lol:

I still keep forgetting that penalty has been reduced. :leaving
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Re: 30.06 vs 30.07 reporting

Postby KLB » Sun Mar 12, 2017 12:49 pm

Ktashford wrote:It's not a private entity though. It's a publicly owned company. And I tried to find all the requirements for a company to be able to have 30.06 signs and I don't see that they meet any. Not saying I'm 100% correct. I could have missed something. But why don't they have a legit 30.06 sign? I've never seen a 30.6. I know it's a tiny detail but to my knowledge, 30.06 and 30.6 are 2 different regulations. Or am I wrong?


Publicly owned companies are private entities; they are just not privately held. That's a different concept. Publicly owned companies are free to post 30.06 and 30.07 signs, just as you and I are.

As to 30.6 instead of 30.06, if I were in there by accident and got caught and prosecuted, I might try to defend on that basis, but I would not knowingly go in planning to depend on that defense.

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Re: 30.06 vs 30.07 reporting

Postby ScottDLS » Sun Mar 12, 2017 1:26 pm

KLB wrote:
Ktashford wrote:It's not a private entity though. It's a publicly owned company. And I tried to find all the requirements for a company to be able to have 30.06 signs and I don't see that they meet any. Not saying I'm 100% correct. I could have missed something. But why don't they have a legit 30.06 sign? I've never seen a 30.6. I know it's a tiny detail but to my knowledge, 30.06 and 30.6 are 2 different regulations. Or am I wrong?


Publicly owned companies are private entities; they are just not privately held. That's a different concept. Publicly owned companies are free to post 30.06 and 30.07 signs, just as you and I are.

As to 30.6 instead of 30.06, if I were in there by accident and got caught and prosecuted, I might try to defend on that basis, but I would not knowingly go in planning to depend on that defense.


In the unlikely event that I got caught, I'd ask for a jury trial in municipal or JP court and submit multiple motions to the (part time) municipal prosecutor to dismiss. If they didn't drop, I'd take it all the way through voir dire and trial by jury, at which time the jury of my peers may find me guilty (of wasting their time), and assess the maximum $200 fine...I would then immediately appeal...and proceed until I ran out of money to pay my lawyer. :biggrinjester:
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Re: 30.06 vs 30.07 reporting

Postby bblhd672 » Sun Mar 12, 2017 2:50 pm

ScottDLS wrote:
In the unlikely event that I got caught, I'd ask for a jury trial in municipal or JP court and submit multiple motions to the (part time) municipal prosecutor to dismiss. If they didn't drop, I'd take it all the way through voir dire and trial by jury, at which time the jury of my peers may find me guilty (of wasting their time), and assess the maximum $200 fine...I would then immediately appeal...and proceed until I ran out of money to pay my lawyer. :biggrinjester:


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Re: 30.06 vs 30.07 reporting

Postby ScottDLS » Sun Mar 12, 2017 3:32 pm

Didn't you mean...deplorable? :smilelol5:
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Re: 30.06 vs 30.07 reporting

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