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I am posting this whole story because I think it's worth studying, and I've noticed lately that stories on new web sites get changed surreptitiously.
A 49-year-old man who chased a young man from his living room in the middle of the night two years ago, repeatedly shooting the drunken college student in the street, was indicted this week on a murder charge.

Raymond Lemes was released Thursday from Bexar County Jail after posting $75,000 bond. Lemes was arrested a day earlier, after a Bexar County grand jury decided he should be put on trial for the Aug. 4, 2007, death of Tracy Glass.

Lemes told authorities he shot Glass after the 19-year-old turned and lunged at him as he was fleeing. He'd been trying to detain the intruder until police arrived, he said.

Lemes indicated at the time of the shooting that he was protecting himself, but prosecutors said Thursday they sought the indictment because he shot the unarmed man five times after Glass already had fled the house without any of the homeowner's belongings.

“Initially, I think (police) had been viewing it as a justifiable shooting,” District Attorney Susan Reed said.

Reed said police in December referred the case to her office so that prosecutors could review and consider presenting it to a grand jury for prosecution.

After that, she said, her office took time to visit the scene and conduct its own investigation.

“We wanted to give a full picture to the grand jury,” she said. “We wanted to make sure they had everything possible.”

Reed said Lemes was invited to speak before the grand jury, but never responded.

Attorneys for Lemes didn't return repeated calls Thursday seeking comment. Relatives at the house where the shooting occurred also declined to comment Thursday about the indictment.

Authorities said that after waking to his wife's screams and grabbing his .40-caliber handgun, Lemes found the Angelo State University student crouched beside his couch at about 2:45 that Saturday morning, according to a 2007 Bexar County medical examiner's investigation report.

But prosecutors Thursday said their investigation revealed Lemes and Glass didn't encounter each other until the young man already had run from the house.

“It wasn't like there was a confrontation or a struggle,” First Assistant District Attorney Cliff Herberg said. “Our investigation indicates he was high-tailing it out of the house with the homeowner in pursuit.”

After the shooting, Lemes placed his gun on the street and waited for police to arrive.

Texas law traditionally allows a homeowner to fire at an intruder if he believes it's the only way to protect his property, but prosecutors said Glass was empty-handed.

The only other way deadly force would have been justified, they say, is if Lemes reasonably believed his life was in jeopardy or he was in danger of suffering serious bodily injury.

An expanded version of the so-called Castle Doctrine wasn't in effect at the time of the shooting. This extended the rights of residents to protect their property, but Reed said it wouldn't have been relevant anyway.

“In this instance, the trespass had been terminated,” she said. “The guy's running down the street and away. There was no gun found. There was no indication of deadly force being used against the defendant.”

Glass' family members also couldn't be reached for comment Thursday. But they've maintained the shooting was a tragic mistake that resulted in the young man walking into Lemes' house that morning.

The teen had been staying with his sister at a home along Autumn Evening, a cul-de-sac that has backyards adjoining Autumn Star, the cul-de-sac on which Lemes lived. Both homes were located on the right side of the street, were painted similarly and had sliding-glass doors in similar positions.

Lemes' sliding-glass door had previously broken and was unlocked on the night of the incident, according to police reports of the incident.
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I posted this story in the Never Again! forum because I think it illustrates that shooting an intruder is not always a get-out-of-jail-free card. The law provides justification for shooting to prevent or stop burglary; but burglary is defined as entering a building to commit a felony, theft, or assault. Wandering into the wrong house through an unlocked door is not burglary.

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Thanks for posting, lessons can definently be learned from this one. I can only imagine the homeowners thought process when being awakended to a stranger inside his house.

One thing I'd note is that if you are going to use deadly force on an intruder, and regardless of the kids mistake, I still consider him an intruder, make sure you do it in your house and not in pursuit once they leave your house as its probably a little harder to prove that you are defending yourself. Just my two cents for what its worth.
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Throw down gun? :headscratch
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I hope you're kidding.

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Seems to also illustrate that it's a good idea to lock one's doors at night. Even if the lock was broken, it shouldn't be difficult to put a chunk of wood or something in the track of the sliding door. And regardless, I know fixing a broken lock on a door of my house would be high on my priority list. Can't imagine just leaving it. If someone really wants to break in, they will, but so long as all my doors are locked it will at least make their intent clear.
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Those sliding doors have led to a world of grief. Even when the lock is working as designed, it's flimsy.

Bracing devices are available, but a piece of wood cut to length would work as well. It doesn't need to be a 2 x 4. Probably a piece of PVC pipe would do.

People sometimes crash into those doors, too, thinking that they are open.

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seamusTX wrote:I hope you're kidding.

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At least he's smart enough to not be talking to the media. Once the guy was off his property chasing him was foolish unless he really thought the guy had stolen something. Even then this looks like a questionable shoot. But then again if you are in someone’s home uninvited bad things happen. In this day and age no one seems responsible for their own actions. Will be interesting to see how the trial turns out.
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Thanks for posting, Jim, there are definitely lessons to be learned from this tragic event. I have to wonder about the door not being secured, too, even if the latch was broken. I have lived in places with the sliding glass doors and always used an old broom handle cut to stop the door from being opened. I would imagine when he was waken by his wife's screams his adrenaline was probably peaked out by the time his feet hit the floor. Maybe in the heat of the moment he thought he had committed some act against his family.

However, I still think he was wrong by pursuing him out into the street and shooting him. The threat was over, he was unarmed, he hadn't hurt anyone, he hadn't stolen anything....he just made a mistake.

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How did he know that the person hadn't stolen anything?

How could he know the intruder wasn't armed?

Why should he HAVE to lock the door? (I know it is wise to but just because a door isn't locked doesn't mean it is open season for peole to enter the home.

Just playing devil's advocate. :tiphat:
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The reality is that burglars will get into your house, and it's not wise to make it easy for them. If this had been a psychopathic murderer instead of a drunk, the homeowner could have been stabbed to death before he woke up.

I just reviewed the timeline in this case. The shooting occurred in August 2007, and the homeowner was not charged at that time.

Figure a month or two to get official autopsy results.

The police referred the case to the DA in December. It's not clear whether that's in 2007 or 2008.

The grand jury returned an indictment in June 2009. That's 22 months. I am tempted to wonder how many grand juries heard this case.

Then again, Bexar County prosecutors probably have a high case load. San Antonio can be one wild town.

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Why didn't the teen "stop and drop"... let the man know that he had entered the wrong house?
Seems like this is another case of two wrongs don't make a right.


What type of mind set was this 19 year old in that he walks into someones home???
What type of mind set was this gun owner in???
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I'm pretty sure it said he was drunk.
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I would imagine that the 19 year old drunk kid was scared out of his wits...and ran.

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They didn't say whether the 19 year old had any prior convictions to lead toward a positive motive.

Another option comes up.... if the 19 year old was drunk, where'd he get the alcohol?
Who dropped him off at the wrong house?
Did he walk home from a bar to the wrong house?

There's so much more to the story.
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I think unless he truly was trying to rob that guys house... then there was absolutely no reason to blast the kid 5 times.
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