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Gun Safe

Postby Rugerboy50 » Mon Aug 24, 2015 12:39 pm

I'm in the market for a new gun safe.

I'm not looking to break the bank.

Recommendations will be appreciated.

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Re: Gun Safe

Postby C-dub » Mon Aug 24, 2015 1:25 pm

There are many different sizes of banks. How about a general or rough price range yours is in?

<$1000
$1k-$2k
$2k-$5k
>$5k
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Re: Gun Safe

Postby Rugerboy50 » Mon Aug 24, 2015 1:31 pm

would like to stay under $1200.00


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Re: Gun Safe

Postby Eric Lamberson » Mon Aug 24, 2015 2:01 pm

I've done quite a bit of research on the topic and quickly discovered that most "gun safes" are not safes at all, but security containers.

A Residential Security Container (RSC) is essentially a large, sheet metal boxes with a lock. A RSC helps protect valuables from smash and grab burglaries where the thief wants to be in and out as quickly as possible and often won't have the time or skill to try to defeat the container. RSC locks are usually UL rated and offer good security; however, the weakness is the body of the unit. The metal thickness on the sides and doors is typically 10-12 gauge (although some are thinner). The door or walls may be thicker due to the addition of gypsum wallboard, concrete (in some cases), or similar materials designed to reduce (but not eliminate) heat or fire effects, but this material typically does little to stop a determined forced entry.

The Underwriter Laboratories (UL) RSC classification means that any specific RSC-labelled container will resist a forced entry attack using simple, non-powered, hand tools for up to five minutes (e.g. screwdrivers, hammers, and pry bars less than 18" long). UL-rated RSC's are not rated against any attack with power tools or an attack lasting longer than five minutes.

The minimum true safe rating from the Underwriter Laboratories is TL-15. The TL-15 rating addresses an attack using hand tools (sledge hammers, fire axes), picking tools, mechanical or electric tools, grinding point attacks, carbide drills, and devices that apply pressure. The TL-15 minimum door thickness is 1.5" plate steel plus an inner layer and the minimum wall thickness is 1" plate steel plus an inner layer. This obviously is considerably thicker than 10 gauge (.13”) or 12 gauge (.10”).

So it really boils down to what are you trying to protect your valuables from? Fire, skilled burglary, smash and grab? A true safe will typically start at $5,000 and go up from there. If you chose an RSC, get the thickest walls you can afford.
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Re: Gun Safe

Postby rmoraes » Mon Aug 24, 2015 2:21 pm

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I'll soon (thank G-d, as I don't have any more space for my guns :)) be in the market for one. I got mine from Academy at good price (Cannon brand). Also I see at Sam's and Costco, and as pointed above, they are "RSC" or "Residential Security Containers" and not actual safes.
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Re: Gun Safe

Postby PBratton » Mon Aug 24, 2015 2:53 pm

Tractor Supply have a quite large fire safe for $1K. Think it was a Cannon Wide Body 64 gun.

(Though we all know that a 64 gun safe will MIGHT hold 64 .22 auto rifles with no scope, right?

They also show an 80 super wide body for $1200.
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Re: Gun Safe

Postby Keith B » Mon Aug 24, 2015 3:13 pm

The best deal I have found was at Sam's Club. Stack-On 28-gun safe with 1400 degree 75 minute fire rating, as well as a 72 hour 2-foot of water waterproof rating. Has shelves you can put on either side, and a built-in pistol and mag hanging system on the door. And the best price of $499. However, they are running low on them now, so you may not be able to find one at your local club.

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Re: Gun Safe

Postby 10Shooter » Mon Aug 24, 2015 6:52 pm

I recommend to ALWAYS buy bigger than you think you need!
Also fire ratings do matter, It kinda depends on where you you live, and type of fire department you have, paid vs volunteers, response times for you neighborhood etc.
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Re: Gun Safe

Postby tk1700 » Mon Aug 24, 2015 7:07 pm

Don't remember details on size, price, etc but Tractor Supply has put several on sale for Black Friday. I remember seeing them in the flyer and when I was in the store on Black Friday several people were there to buy safes.

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Re: Gun Safe

Postby The Annoyed Man » Mon Aug 24, 2015 7:36 pm

It is not true that RSCs offer no fire protection. I just traded in my smaller Liberty brand safe for a much larger one a few days ago. Both are UL Fire rated — the smaller one was rated to 1200° for 45 minutes, and th larger one is rated to 1200° for 90 minutes. The smaller one would limit internal temperature rise to 275°, and the larger one to 250°. Both are below the flash point of paper, so a plastic stock might soften/warp, but wood stocks and metal will be fine.

I bought the Liberty safe in 2007, for approximately $1.100. A local locksmith gave me $500 store credit against the purchase of a $1,900 safe. The new one weighs 850 lbs. it's not going anywhere.
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Re: Gun Safe

Postby Ed4032 » Mon Aug 24, 2015 7:43 pm

Be sure and get one bigger than you were thinking. They shrink.
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Re: Gun Safe

Postby gljjt » Mon Aug 24, 2015 8:29 pm

The Annoyed Man wrote: The new one weighs 850 lbs. it's not going anywhere.


Bolt it down in a corner. A piano dolly and 2 guys can move that safe no problem. I moved mine with the help of my son. A pair of thieves can get it out the door in less than 5 minutes. Assuming it is downstairs.


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Re: Gun Safe

Postby Eric Lamberson » Mon Aug 24, 2015 8:54 pm

My safe is approximately 1100 pounds. The movers placed it with a remarkably simple safe mover dolly that caused me to go "Hummmm--that was too easy." If bad guys come prepared, a residential security container that is not bolted down is trivial to move/remove or tip over.

The safe opened in the video at this link obviously did not meet the UL RSC rating--less than 2 minutes to pry open:

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Re: Gun Safe

Postby Charlies.Contingency » Mon Aug 24, 2015 9:48 pm

As mentioned above, I would like to comment about the weight of a safe. I own one of the dolly's as mentioned above, and I move my own safe's, freezers, and fridges. It's easy with the proper mechanical advantage, and all of my heavy gear in my house I put in myself with no help. It is all so important that you secure your safe/cabinet to something, or a well planned out robbery can result in your arsenal ending up on the streets.

The most important thing to me is keeping your guns out of the hands of children, and out of the hands of criminals. If they burn up, or get water logged, so be it. Just make sure you properly secure them with a good safe or cabinet if you can afford to do so, and if you budget allows, upgrade protection accordingly.
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Re: Gun Safe

Postby Rugerboy50 » Tue Aug 25, 2015 7:36 am

My leading contender right now is the Liberty Fat Boy jr.


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