Ice bullets: Fiction or developed by CIA for "wet work"?

[Chemist45]

If you had a dry ice (CO2) slug in a shotgun wadding/cup, it would probably work at short range and be moving really, really fast. No rifling marks even if they did find the wadding. Cartridges kept in a super insulated container with other dry ice blocks, then inserted at the last moment into a break open double barrel (use gloves or tongs), and I bet you could do some serious damage.

And how is this, in any way, superior to a sawed of double barrel shotgun?
No case to find if you don't open the breach after shooting.
No ballistics on the shot, wad or slug.

[TreyHouston]

The "big agribusiness" outfits use water jets for chicken "processing" all the time.

I am far from an expert on the technology, but I wonder if it would be possible to develop something that sent a very short duration stream downrange? I'm picturing something that looks like a flamethrower with tanks of water you carry on your back. Obviously, the longer the range, the more difficult this would be to develop.

Not quite an ice bullet. More of a "water bullet". But the difference between ice and water is just one of perception. The potential benefits would be the same (leaving no trace, etc).

(Hahah its soccerdad again!)

I really like this idea!!! So the original post was about a bullet that could be fired and not leave a trace, kinda like a "James Bond" thing. No one would ever know who did it!!!!
TRUE, a guy carrying a very large tank with a "flame thrower" type device may not leave exact evidence in the victim, however, there might be some suspicion about seeing THE GUY WEARING A FLAMETHROWER!!!!
Hahahahahahahahahaha

[apvonkanel]

The "big agribusiness" outfits use water jets for chicken "processing" all the time.

I am far from an expert on the technology, but I wonder if it would be possible to develop something that sent a very short duration stream downrange? I'm picturing something that looks like a flamethrower with tanks of water you carry on your back. Obviously, the longer the range, the more difficult this would be to develop.

Not quite an ice bullet. More of a "water bullet". But the difference between ice and water is just one of perception. The potential benefits would be the same (leaving no trace, etc).

The problem here is terminal velocity. Essentially, the drag quickly degrades stream structure, allowing for greater drag (spreading the mass over a greater distance) which would slow it down considerably over a short distance. While cutting is possible with water, this is done with thin streams and short distances of travel. A fire hose can travel further because a thicker stream inherently holds integrity longer, but also negates the cutting ability.

However, in a vacuum this idea could be much more plausible. So if we're talking space-jockeys packing water beams, I'm all-in.

We need to legislate water beams now.

[apvonkanel]

What about a salt bullet? Or something else highly soluble that's naturally found in the human body?

[jmra]

If you had a dry ice (CO2) slug in a shotgun wadding/cup, it would probably work at short range and be moving really, really fast. No rifling marks even if they did find the wadding. Cartridges kept in a super insulated container with other dry ice blocks, then inserted at the last moment into a break open double barrel (use gloves or tongs), and I bet you could do some serious damage.

And how is this, in any way, superior to a sawed of double barrel shotgun?
No case to find if you don't open the breach after shooting.
No ballistics on the shot, wad or slug.

Are you trying to say you do not advocate reinventing the wheel with a much more complicated design that only theoretically functions under specific parameters almost as efficiently as the original wheel?

[Ameer]

If you had a dry ice (CO2) slug in a shotgun wadding/cup, it would probably work at short range and be moving really, really fast. No rifling marks even if they did find the wadding. Cartridges kept in a super insulated container with other dry ice blocks, then inserted at the last moment into a break open double barrel (use gloves or tongs), and I bet you could do some serious damage.

And how is this, in any way, superior to a sawed of double barrel shotgun?
No case to find if you don't open the breach after shooting.
No ballistics on the shot, wad or slug.

Are you trying to say you do not advocate reinventing the wheel with a much more complicated design that only theoretically functions under specific parameters almost as efficiently as the original wheel?

It sounds like he has no future in a civil service career.

[Chemist45]

If you had a dry ice (CO2) slug in a shotgun wadding/cup, it would probably work at short range and be moving really, really fast. No rifling marks even if they did find the wadding. Cartridges kept in a super insulated container with other dry ice blocks, then inserted at the last moment into a break open double barrel (use gloves or tongs), and I bet you could do some serious damage.

And how is this, in any way, superior to a sawed of double barrel shotgun?
No case to find if you don't open the breach after shooting.
No ballistics on the shot, wad or slug.

Are you trying to say you do not advocate reinventing the wheel with a much more complicated design that only theoretically functions under specific parameters almost as efficiently as the original wheel?

Sounds like my previous employer: OK Mr. Customer, Our product is more expensive and works almost as well as our competitor's.
How many do you want?